--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard M" <compost...@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 > > > > <but actual provable lies.> > > > > This standard is absurd in this context. I'll give you the ones that > > I know he made in my movement career that effected me personally. I > > am in no position to "prove" any of these to you especially > > considering your own bias. > > You're playing fast and loose with the distinction between falsehoods > and lies. That's not as "deep" as your usual thinking IMO! > > If I say to you "tomorrow I think it might snow some", and then it > doesn't. What do you think - that I LIED to you? A child might think > that of its parent. "Mummy you lied to me, you promised snow!".
Agreed. The reneging on course promises directly made were outright lies, or were turned into lies by his lack of integrity to be a man of his word. The other things have other possibilities of interpretation. I am offering mine. The whole challenge had an absurd premise, I was playing along. We each choose the credibility of Maharishi's claims from our interactions with the guy. In my case his lack of integrity with the truth had strong financial repercussions. > > Or... a disciple might think that of his God. But do you see that? YOU > made MMY your god, then you turn against him for being human! No. All humans don't renege on financial arrangements. Only dishonest ones. > > I admit I was more than a TB in the past than I am now - but I never, > never, thought MMY was my god or even my guru (or that he asked that > of me). You were not fulltime on Purusha or Sidhaland I assume? For us it was quite clear what our relationship was. > > > CC in usually experienced in 7 years. > > > > 3 years in Sidhaland to master the sidhis. (Directly promised to > > people who signed on.) > > > > The third generation of crops from the seeds we saved grown on > > sidhaland would grow into amazing plants. > > > > Three years of unpaid labor at sihaland would pay for TTC. > > > > MIU students would have their phase I and II honored after their > > graduation if they finished their degrees. Again directly promised to > > us right from Switzerland in a directly answered question. Right after > > graduation he said our TTC phase I and II from MIU was not valid and > > we had to do them both again. > > > > That his teachers would have their ATR credits gained from their hard > > work of initiations honored instead of being eliminated after the fact. > > > > He doesn't care about money because his dhoti had no pockets. > > > > People would actually fly with his flying sutra. > > > > That TM improves people's social behavior. > > > > That TM makes people more creative or intelligent. > > > > That TM and Ayur Veda gives you perfect health when his last decade's > > health was pathetic. > > > > That's off the top of my head. Your challenge is ridiculous because > > we all decide for ourselves how credible the guy was. You have your > > own standards and I have mine. But if you lived in his fulltime > > organization you saw promises given and reneged on time after time. It > > usually involved money. OURS becoming HIS. > > > > > yes, cling desperately-- you come across as this super reasonable, > > > i'm ok, you're ok guy most of the time, curtis, but if someone > > > challenges your blind spot biases, its a whole nother story. > > > > I don't know what blind spot you think you have challenged. I think > > it is likely that a famous guy like Maharishi banged some chicks. You > > don't. Where is the blind spot? I'm not clinging to anything, I > > could be wrong. So could you. > > > > > > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 > > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > i am curious why some of those here, like Vaj, and Curtis and > > > > > geezerfreak and Barry feel it is so important to cling > > > deperately to > > > > > the possibility that the Maharishi was a liar in terms of his > > > sex life? > > > > > > > > "Cling desperately" huh? The guy lied about all sorts of stuff > > > > > > yes, cling desperately-- you come across as this super reasonable, > > > i'm ok, you're ok guy most of the time, curtis, but if someone > > > challenges your blind spot biases, its a whole nother story. > > > > > > ok, you're on, please list five things that you can prove the > > > Maharishi lied about. not differences of opinion, or quotes out of > > > context, but actual provable lies. > > > > > >
