Fact is, none of us experience what Maharishi priomised. Not a single lift-off ever in TMO. I know the two sons of a TM teacher and they lost respect for their own father for his believing, nay, not only beliving, but perpetuating the falsehood that TM Sidhas actually float. To his own sons.
Now that TM teacher is out of sorts with the TM Movement and in complete denial of his former involvement, and he will not confess it to anyone except to those of us who already knew about him. That's all not very good stuff to relate to. His two sons lost faith in all things spiritual - hey, they had little faith to begin with, and the bogus promises of sidhis have estranged many persons. Also, many other former TM teachers are wrought with regret now - I guess how soon they forget the recert process, and all the rest..... I cannot disagree with Vaj that persons got hurt by Maharishi. Also, I cannot deny my own experience that TM was good for me right when I really needed it. Methinks people are sourcing Vaj as the center of problems when if one didn't have such doubts in the first place they wouldn't even know Vaj had said anything contrariwise to Maharishi in the first place. The problem therefore is you and you and you, and you, for being sensitive for being ignorant of other teachings besides TM. Fact is, I would have thought that any spiritual aspirants would never take any half truths for the whole truth. But then I prise truth above all else. (Except for love and friendship). ----- Original Message ----- From: "enlightened_dawn11" <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Randy > in other words Randy, Vaj will not take you at your word when you > say your practice of TM has been everything that the Maharishi has > promised. he will however take the merest hearsay, if negative about > the practice of TM, and state it as fact here. > > he ends his post with a serious admonition about the damage TM does > to its practitioners, while faithfully remaining silent regarding > the genocide and cultural destruction wrought upon the countries > presided over by "His Holiness" the Dalai Lama, and other highly > placed Buddhists. > > reminds me of that show on TV, 60 Minutes, always going after the > small fry, but as for institionalized corruption and failure, they > turn a blind eye. > > having said all of that, i am pleased to hear about your success > with TM. as i have said on here before, it is those who have done TM > the least who criticize it the most. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradh...@...> wrote: >> >> >> On Feb 17, 2009, at 6:26 PM, Randy Meltzer wrote: >> >> >> What post or posts are you referring to Randy? >> > >> > I am referring to any and all posts where you seem to indicate > that >> > TM has no validity. >> >> I've never said that Randy. I do and will respond to posts as I > please >> and if they contain inaccurate information on any number of > subjects, >> I may respond, as I please with what I believe to be true. It's >> important to me, and I hope it is to you as well, to see that >> historical record is set straight and that means if I feel like >> responding to some misinformed notion or casually passed down > myth, I >> may post what I believe is correct. I will not lie for you, sorry. > If >> that bothers, you, then you might want to avoid my posts or this > list >> then, but that's your decision Randy. >> >> There are TM lists which say only nice things, like the Fairfield >> Kiosk site. That sounds like it might be more up your alley. >> >> > You either say it or infer it very often. >> > Look Vaj, I don't want to seem like a "TM is the answer" robot. > I'm >> > not. But after practicing it for 38 years, I can say without >> > hesitation that the depth of my experience is profound and > therefore >> > to me, TM is as valid a practice as any other spiritual program, > and >> > at least for me, better. So this is why I am tired of you > constantly >> > trying to prove that it is less than Buddhism, tantra etc. You > are >> > entitled to your opinion and I respect it, but at the same time > why >> > can't you respect the experiences and opinions of those of us who >> > have found everything that Maharishi promised through it????? >> >> >> Well I don't think that's the issue. People write things. I > respond. >> If what they say is false, I may respond with the sweet or sour > truth. >> If people don't like what I say, they should respond without ad >> hominem and debate the question at hand, but they should have > some >> idea what they're talking about, not uncritically acquired beliefs. >> >> And I'm glad TM worked for you, I think that's great. I also, as > I've >> said before, had relatively good experiences with TM (but I think > you >> might have missed that post). I also shared what some of them > were. I >> really don't buy that there are people who "found everything that >> Maharishi promised through [TM]", but I do believe there are > people >> who do believe that. I have just not seen evidence that shows me, >> based on my own intuition and experience, that this is the case. I > am >> open to the fact that I may be wrong. >> >> The other issue is one of damage to people. I won't go into this > in >> detail, but for me, it's really the crux of the matter. To even >> mention it here, is to set off a firestorm of ad hominem and > negative >> posts. But if it does happen (it has) it should be able to be >> discussed openly and freely so that others need not suffer. >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
