--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" <wgm4u@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall <thomas.pall@> wrote: > > <snip> > > > > > > "No effort on this path is every wasted" -- Krishna, > > > > > > *Bhagavad Gita* > > > > > > > > "No effort is wasted because no effort is used!" -MMY > > > > commentary. > > > > > > That's a good one, very smart. Actually no effort is ever > > > used, as there is no doer :-) > > > > That's the bottom line. > > > > And disagreement here about "no doer" is the source of > > the disagreement about the effortlessness of TM. That > > never occurred to me before, but you've nailed it. > > > > In that sense, TM gives you the clear experience of > > "no doer" --if you're open to it. > > > > If you're not open to it, if you're a control freak, > > you will probably always find that TM requires "effort." > > TM is just a different process which uses a passive > approach to achieving TC. IN TM the reduction of > metabolic rate is a bi-product of the mind settling > down, doesn't mean TM is the ONLY correct meditation > system.
I don't believe I said it was, did I? > In other systems where they use Dharana or Concentration > the mind and *will* are used *actively* to do the same > thing. Yes, I know. > Some think Dharana is superior because it does give the > practitioner 'conscious' control of the process. In TM > you are subject to the vagaries of the nervous system > (sleep, etc.). Which isn't a bug, it's a feature. Unless, of course, you trust your intellect over your nervous system.
