--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" <wgm4u@...> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall <thomas.pall@> wrote: > > <snip> > > > > > > "No effort on this path is every wasted" -- Krishna, > > > > > > *Bhagavad Gita* > > > > > > > > "No effort is wasted because no effort is used!" -MMY > > > > commentary. > > > > > > That's a good one, very smart. Actually no effort is ever > > > used, as there is no doer :-) > > > > That's the bottom line. > > > > And disagreement here about "no doer" is the source of > > the disagreement about the effortlessness of TM. That > > never occurred to me before, but you've nailed it. > > > > In that sense, TM gives you the clear experience of > > "no doer" --if you're open to it. > > > > If you're not open to it, if you're a control freak, > > you will probably always find that TM requires "effort." > > TM is just a different process which uses a passive approach to achieving TC. > IN TM the reduction of metabolic rate is a bi-product of the mind settling > down,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" <wgm4u@...> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall <thomas.pall@> wrote: > > <snip> > > > > > > "No effort on this path is every wasted" -- Krishna, > > > > > > *Bhagavad Gita* > > > > > > > > "No effort is wasted because no effort is used!" -MMY > > > > commentary. > > > > > > That's a good one, very smart. Actually no effort is ever > > > used, as there is no doer :-) > > > > That's the bottom line. > > > > And disagreement here about "no doer" is the source of > > the disagreement about the effortlessness of TM. That > > never occurred to me before, but you've nailed it. > > > > In that sense, TM gives you the clear experience of > > "no doer" --if you're open to it. > > > > If you're not open to it, if you're a control freak, > > you will probably always find that TM requires "effort." > > TM is just a different process which uses a passive approach to achieving TC. > IN TM the reduction of metabolic rate is a bi-product of the mind settling > down, doesn't mean TM is the ONLY correct meditation system. > > In other systems where they use Dharana or Concentration the mind and *will* > are used *actively* to do the same thing. Some think Dharana is superior > because it does give the practitioner 'conscious' control of the process. In > TM you are subject to the vagaries of the nervous system (sleep, etc.). > > "Spending two hours concentrating on the eye-focus each day will help our > attention withdraw from the body. Generally our sensory currents which give us > sensation of this physical world are spread out through the body. As we > concentrate at the seat of the soul, the sensory currents start withdrawing > from > our extremities. They come up from our feet and legs to our trunk. Eventually > they are totally concentrated at the seat of the soul. Once at that point, a > vista of divine Light and celestial Sound opens up for us." > > Sant Mat description of Dharana. > There's an assumption that this process leads to something worthwhile. > doesn't mean TM is the ONLY correct meditation system. Doesn't mean it isn't, either. > > In other systems where they use Dharana or Concentration the mind and *will* > are used *actively* to do the same thing. Some think Dharana is superior > because it does give the practitioner 'conscious' control of the process. In > TM you are subject to the vagaries of the nervous system (sleep, etc.). > > "Spending two hours concentrating on the eye-focus each day will help our > attention withdraw from the body. Generally our sensory currents which give us > sensation of this physical world are spread out through the body. As we > concentrate at the seat of the soul, the sensory currents start withdrawing > from > our extremities. They come up from our feet and legs to our trunk. Eventually > they are totally concentrated at the seat of the soul. Once at that point, a > vista of divine Light and celestial Sound opens up for us." > > Sant Mat description of Dharana. > There's an assumption that this process leads to something worthwhile. Lawson
