--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <drpetersutphen@...> wrote: > > There is only a non-doer when there "is" a non-doer. When this is the > condition then there is the dharma of non-doing. Prior to this there is a > doer and the dharma associated with a doer.
I have to disagree Doc. You cannot DO the non-doer, that's a contradiction in terms. From that follows, you cannot UNDO the non-doer either. No matter what you 'do', conscously or unconscously, voluntary or unvoluntary, there is either a non-doer, or there is not, that is pervasive. > > --- On Wed, 1/26/11, sparaig <LEnglish5@...> wrote: > > > From: sparaig <LEnglish5@...> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 11:42 AM > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "wgm4u" <wgm4u@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > blusc0ut <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > Tom Pall <thomas.pall@> wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > "No effort on this path is > > every wasted" -- Krishna, > > > > > > > > *Bhagavad Gita* > > > > > > > > > > > > "No effort is wasted because no effort > > is used!" -MMY > > > > > > commentary. > > > > > > > > > > That's a good one, very smart. Actually no > > effort is ever > > > > > used, as there is no doer :-) > > > > > > > > That's the bottom line. > > > > > > > > And disagreement here about "no doer" is the > > source of > > > > the disagreement about the effortlessness of TM. > > That > > > > never occurred to me before, but you've nailed > > it. > > > > > > > > In that sense, TM gives you the clear experience > > of > > > > "no doer" --if you're open to it. > > > > > > > > If you're not open to it, if you're a control > > freak, > > > > you will probably always find that TM requires > > "effort." > > > > > > TM is just a different process which uses a passive > > approach to achieving TC. IN TM the reduction of metabolic > > rate is a bi-product of the mind settling down, > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "wgm4u" <wgm4u@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > blusc0ut <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > Tom Pall <thomas.pall@> wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > "No effort on this path is > > every wasted" -- Krishna, > > > > > > > > *Bhagavad Gita* > > > > > > > > > > > > "No effort is wasted because no effort > > is used!" -MMY > > > > > > commentary. > > > > > > > > > > That's a good one, very smart. Actually no > > effort is ever > > > > > used, as there is no doer :-) > > > > > > > > That's the bottom line. > > > > > > > > And disagreement here about "no doer" is the > > source of > > > > the disagreement about the effortlessness of TM. > > That > > > > never occurred to me before, but you've nailed > > it. > > > > > > > > In that sense, TM gives you the clear experience > > of > > > > "no doer" --if you're open to it. > > > > > > > > If you're not open to it, if you're a control > > freak, > > > > you will probably always find that TM requires > > "effort." > > > > > > TM is just a different process which uses a passive > > approach to achieving TC. IN TM the reduction of metabolic > > rate is a bi-product of the mind settling down, doesn't mean > > TM is the ONLY correct meditation system. > > > > > > In other systems where they use Dharana or > > Concentration the mind and *will* are used *actively* to do > > the same thing. Some think Dharana is superior because it > > does give the practitioner 'conscious' control of the > > process. In TM you are subject to the vagaries of the > > nervous system (sleep, etc.). > > > > > > "Spending two hours concentrating on the eye-focus > > each day will help our > > > attention withdraw from the body. Generally our > > sensory currents which give us > > > sensation of this physical world are spread out > > through the body. As we > > > concentrate at the seat of the soul, the sensory > > currents start withdrawing from > > > our extremities. They come up from our feet and legs > > to our trunk. Eventually > > > they are totally concentrated at the seat of the soul. > > Once at that point, a > > > vista of divine Light and celestial Sound opens up for > > us." > > > > > > Sant Mat description of Dharana. > > > > > > > There's an assumption that this process leads to something > > worthwhile. > > > > > doesn't mean TM is the ONLY correct meditation > > system. > > > > Doesn't mean it isn't, either. > > > > > > > > In other systems where they use Dharana or > > Concentration the mind and *will* are used *actively* to do > > the same thing. Some think Dharana is superior because it > > does give the practitioner 'conscious' control of the > > process. In TM you are subject to the vagaries of the > > nervous system (sleep, etc.). > > > > > > "Spending two hours concentrating on the eye-focus > > each day will help our > > > attention withdraw from the body. Generally our > > sensory currents which give us > > > sensation of this physical world are spread out > > through the body. As we > > > concentrate at the seat of the soul, the sensory > > currents start withdrawing from > > > our extremities. They come up from our feet and legs > > to our trunk. Eventually > > > they are totally concentrated at the seat of the soul. > > Once at that point, a > > > vista of divine Light and celestial Sound opens up for > > us." > > > > > > Sant Mat description of Dharana. > > > > > > > There's an assumption that this process leads to something > > worthwhile. > > > > > > Lawson > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > >
