--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@ wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > The TM tru-believers on one end, some practitioners in > > > the middle, and the TM-haters on the other end.> > > > > I would like to challenge the Glenn Beckiness of this > > idea of TM haters. > > Curtis, I know you don't read my comments on Barry's > posts, but you need to see this one, so I'm copying it > into my response to you: > > ----- > The term "hater," in fact, has been used *far* more > often by TM critics (primarily Barry) in reference > to TM supporters than TM supporters have used it in > reference to TM critics. > > Actually, the only folks here to have used the term > "TM-hater" are Doug/Buck and Nabby, and feste (once, > over four years ago). > > Isn't that interesting? > ----- > > > Who are you talking about? Let's go down the list > > on this board. > > Gotta say, Curtis, reading this makes me very > dubious indeed about your analyses of MMY, it's > so far from my own observations of Barry and Vaj. > I was never around MMY, so I was inclined to > give your reports some credence. > > But I *have* been "around" Barry and Vaj for > quite some time, electronically, at least (which > is what you're talking about here--their FFL > personas), and you've missed a great deal. > > They're both not just contemptuous, they're > *viciously* contemptuous of MMY and the TMO (you > are too in many cases). That's pretty hard to > distinguish from hatred, IMHO, and it's surely > not necessary simply to express a POV of and > purported dedication to spiritual development, > or even sharp criticisms of MMY and TM. > > Moreover, Vaj *lies*, and I'll give you examples > if you like. > > Of Barry you say that he "seems to hate all the > things in the current movement that you do." Well, > yes, but not just in the current movement by any > means. Have you missed all his posts about his > own days in the TMO? > > Vaj repeatedly insults the TMers here. Barry > does so not just repeatedly but *constantly*, > and at length, with all the viciousness he can > muster. Plus which, more often than not, he does > so dishonestly (I have thousands, literally, of > examples by now). Again, that kind of behavior > is very hard to distinguish from hatred. > > (Just one quick example: In his response to your > post, Barry refers to "many of the 'TM hater' > promoters on this forum." As noted above, there > are only two who use that phrase, not enough, > obviously, to speak of "many" of them. And the > term "hater" is much, much more often used *by > Barry* to describe the TMers here.) > > You present a very rosy, upbeat, generous version > of your view of TM and MMY below, but it isn't > typical. You've made some incredibly nasty posts > concerning both--not just "goofing," but > attacking and vilifying and demonizing. > > I don't use it myself, but I don't think "TM- > haters" is an overly "dramatic" term to describe > Barry and Vaj, and on at least some occasions, > yourself. > > Nor is it Glenn Beckish. Indeed, I'm often > reminded of Glenn Beck when I read Barry's and > Vaj's posts--not just Beck, but Limbaugh and > Hannity and O'Reilly and right-wingers generally. > Same lack of concern for accuracy and > objectivity and fairness, same tendency to > exaggerate and mislead and distort and just > plain lie. > > It isn't a matter of "people who don't think > about TM exactly as you do." There's a very > distinct quality of *vengefulness* about Vaj's > and Barry's and some of your posts, way more > negative and angry and ugly than is necessary > simply to express a different viewpoint. > > And all three of you *do* give very much of a > shit, Curtis. > >
Thank you Judyji, you are spot on no one minds the sarcasm, may be with a few personal insults thrown around - after all this is a list for mature adults. However its disconcerting when I notice some of them resort to deception, dishonesty and sometimes blatant lies. Sure go go ahead and discuss specific issues, strengths , faults and weaknesses of a Guru or the spiritual technique(s) you believe in, but what is so intelligent about mocking people's beliefs?
