On 08/04/2011 04:52 PM, sparaig wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu<noozguru@...> wrote: >> On 08/04/2011 03:51 PM, sparaig wrote: >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu<noozguru@> wrote: >>>> On 08/04/2011 10:26 AM, raunchydog wrote: >>>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu<noozguru@> wrote: >>>>>> On 08/03/2011 06:49 PM, Rick Archer wrote: >>>>>>> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Denise Evans >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:43 PM >>>>>>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are many different methods for "meditation". TM is a technique >>>>>>> taught by Maharishi who was a Hindu. Nothing against it, as I haven't >>>>>>> done it or paid to learn it, but it is based on an interpretation of >>>>>>> Hinduism possibly somewhat unique to Maharishi from what I've gleaned >>>>>>> from posts on these website. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are many ways to meditate that are free and published. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But I think it’s noteworthy how deep her meditation is right off the >>>>>>> bat. I think that says something about the efficacy of TM. >>>>>>> >>>>>> It says something about the efficacy of meditation. We don't know what >>>>>> would have happened if she would have tried a different form of >>>>>> meditation. It may have worked the same. >>>>>> >>>>> Or not. >>>> Yup, other techniques may work better and definitely safer. >>>> >>> Your evidence for this is...? >>> >>> >>> L. >> My experience and what Indian traditions have found down throughout the >> centuries. I used to check people who should not have learned TM. I took >> it that the teacher was so hard up for money they ignored the rules >> about teaching people with certain problems. I wound up checking some >> psychotics. > Are you suggesting that psychotics are never taught by other meditation > teachers?
Other techniques have rules about teaching unstable people too. What direct experience do you have of other techniques? > "Kundalini syndrome" is a proposed DSM term used to describe super-heavy > unstressing found in some who practice certain kinds of meditation > techniques. TM wasn't mentioned as one of those practices, at least by name, > IIRC. Western researchers are probably poor judges of any of this. They are blind men feeling an elephant. :-D > In fact, research on TM is used to justify the new proposal in the DSM that > practitioners of meditation who report derealization but who otherwise have > no symptoms, shouldn't be counted as being mentally unhealthy. "research of TM" by whom? > >> The mantra shastra on this is that agni mantras are not for the public >> and yet they are taught in TM. And MMY started out teaching shanti >> mantras which ARE safe. But then so did every other guru. Guess he >> wanted to be different. The first technique is just a "warm up" since >> the second is a more traditional mantra though an agni mantra. >> > Eh, MMY believed differently. In fact, he insisted that his was the proper > interpretation, but time will tell. > > >> Not to worry though. The TMO will have it's head in the clouds as the >> economy collapses and never adjust their prices. Hence no one except >> those with money to throw away will learn. >> > Other than the kids learning via the David Lynch Foundation, you mean? > > Sounds to me like someone is in denial here, and it isn't necessarily the > True Believers... > > > L. Nonsense. And your experience of teaching meditation? It is laughable that giving someone just a bija akshara is a superior technique. All that does is replace (very slowly) the process of shaktipat. The bij mantras are like sparks and full mantras like flames. ------------------------------------ To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
