Empty: Those stages of subtly are common stages discussed in Tantric Deity yoga and in Kashmiri Trika Shaiva teachings.
Vag: They're also used in the Shankaracharya tradition, which uses the approach of tantra, leading to nondual contemplation. This is the path of SBS ME: This is not Shankara's Kevala Vedanta but the yogic advaita (post-Vidyaranya) which contradicts Shankara in many ways. A mix of Tantric and Puranic worship is standard in most Hinduism. Vag: The bottom line is, if the bindu is not pierced and the ajna is not bridged, the road to samadhi and full "transcendence" can never occur. ME: SSRS told me that transcending in meditation (TM-Sahaj) is crossing the tri-veni. That is why the Ajña is called the inner tri-veni or the confluence of the three principle nadi-s. Again, another awakened teacher contradicts your assertions. Empty: You purposely left out the conclusions of Svami Lakshman Joo, the last Trika guru from Kashmir, a friend of MMY. He fully endorsed the transcending process of TM. In fact, MMY got some of his understanding from SKJ. Vag: He may or may not have recognized it. But I doubt he would have recognized it as any more than a preliminary. ME: This kind of dismissal of Swami Lakshman Joo clearly demonstrates your selective polemic and wonton editing without regard for his actual statements. SRSS and SLJ agree with MMY. You do not and thus you strike out. Try staying with Dzogchen. You lack the objectivity to discuss TM or MMY. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@...> wrote: > > > On Dec 9, 2011, at 1:47 PM, emptybill wrote: > > > Those stages of subtly are common stages discussed in Tantric Deity > > yoga and in Kashmiri Trika Shaiva teachings. > > They're also used in the Shankaracharya tradition, which uses the > approach of tantra, leading to nondual contemplation. This is the > path of SBS. > > The bottom line is, if the bindu is not pierced and the ajna is not > bridged, the road to samadhi and full "transcendence" can never > occur. I realize this must be hard for you. All that hyperventilating! > > > > You purposely left out the conclusions of Svami Lakshman Joo, the last > > Trika guru from Kashmir, a friend of MMY. He fully endorsed the > > transcending process of TM. In fact, MMY got some of his understanding > > from SKJ. > > He may or may not have recognized it. But I doubt he would have > recognized it as any more than a preliminary. > > > Selective editing, on your part, of the teachings and relationships > > here, simply proves that you have no objectivity. > > No editing whatsoever - it's TM instruction that edits out the full > teaching, which isn't to imply it was ever known by Mahesh. > > Veritas liberat... >
