--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason" <jedi_spock@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Your assertions do not agree with these ancient > > > > deity-bhakti teachings... > > > > > > zarzari: > > > Sure, there are some theistic Upanishads. But Hara > > > wasn't known in the Rig Veda. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardatrwilliamsdotus" > <richard@> wrote: > > > History in India begins with the historical Buddha > > (Shakya the Muni, 563 BC). Before that, there was no > > writing, so everything before the Ashokan Pillars is > > considered to be pre-history - the oral tradition. > > > > The language of the Indus Valley Civilization has not > > been deciphered. So, about all we have in the way of > > historical evidence is the edifice architecture such > > as stone inscriptions. The first known instance of > > writing occurs in India around around the time of the > > building of Sarnath. > > > > So, if there were any deity-bhakti teachings in South > > Asia they wouod have been mentioned by the Buddha. > > But in fact, the bhati teachings came much later > > during the Gupta Age, after the formation of the > > sects. > > > > Apparently there are no indigenous population in the > > Asian Subcontinent. If the inhabitants came from > > outside India, where and when did they come to India > > and why? > > > > Most reasonable people accept the timelines and > > chronologies of both Indian and western scholarship > > based on the historical evidence, not on any Indian > > traditions. > > > > For example, all the evidence supports the conclusion > > that the Vedas were composed after the invention of > > the spoked wheel and the use of the horse as a > > conveyance - there is no evidence for the use of > > either before 1700 B.C. in India. > > > > According to modern scholarship, based on historical > > evidence, the Aryan speakers entered into India > > around 1700 B.C., just as the Indus Civilization was > > declining. The evidence is linguistic, > > archaeological, and textual. > > > > Historians agree that there is no mention of the > > Indus Valley Civilization in the Vedas, therefore > > the Vedas must have been composed after 1700 B.C. > > While there is no mention of the Indus Valley > > Civilization, the Rig Veda mentions the use of iron, > > which was not smelted in India until after 1500 B.C. > > > > In contrast, according to Indian tradition, the > > Aryans were a race of people who spoke an eternal > > language called Sanskrit over a million years ago on > > Mt. Meru, before homo sapiens sapiens came out of > > Africa, before the dawn of civilization, before the > > invention of the wheel, before writing and the > > invention of agriculture. > > > > Frawley thinks the Aryans came OUT OF INDIA and then > > invented all the Indo-European languages, up to and > > including Finnish! > > > > Go figure. > > > > > Willy, this Frawley is too vedic-centric and looks at other > evidence only if it fits the vedas. Scientific evidence > that does not fit the vedic world-view are swept under the > carpet. > > > I guess not too different from the TM-org. [;)] >
This is all from the hindutva fanatics. I agree with both of you. Even worse, the tamil nationalists, who would appropriate the whole Indian/Hindu/ Vedic culture for their purposes, speaking of the 'prana veda'
