Dare I call you all oxymorons??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@...>
wrote:
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> Yeah, you nailed it.
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@> wrote:
> >
> > Ha ha....see my post....we are all in tune here....
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: curtisdeltablues <curtisdeltablues@>
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 5:35 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Curtis and I Differ
> >
> >
> > Â
> > I was just riffing off of how much is sounds like hillbilly heroin
> > Oxycontin. I just saw one of those horror show specials where people were
> > doing that.
> >
> > But your information is much more interesting. Fascinating to see the
> > mechanics of a mother's love!
> >
> > I don't think I need any. I focused on the sensitive guy routine in the
> > 70's until I found out that the bad boys were banging all the chicks I
> > thought were prudes! What a wake-up call that was in how the world really
> > works.
> >
> > The type of blues I love is trance inducing. Once you're both in the zone
> > it is the field of all possibilities, without the Mahesh. I wonder if he
> > ever used seduction music. Maybe if you play Sama Veda at half speed so it
> > sounds like Barry White you could get somewhere!
> >
> > I'll stick to blues, oxytocin free. Actually blues was always supported
> > most by women. The guys from the 20's and 30's put out records that only
> > the African women domestic workers could afford. They supported the whole
> > industry in the early days. That is your Black history month factoid for
> > the day!
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <wayback71@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am not an MD but my understanding is that oxytocin is just about the
> > > same as pitocin. You can inject pitocin - here's what it does: it
> > > causes a woman to have contractions that lead to delivery of a baby! It
> > > is used in hospitals if a woman needs to have stronger contractions or to
> > > have labor induced. Seven hours of a pitocin drip and the baby is born.
> > > Ouch. In addition to causing contractions, pitocin/oxytocin causes
> > > intense emotional bonding between mother and baby. I think lots of it
> > > circulates in the blood stream as long as a mother nurses and is also
> > > present in females in general.
> > >
> > > Not sure what it would do to a male, but I suspect you would not want to
> > > be the guinea pig on this one. Making inhaling it would be ok.
> > > Hospitals have lots of it. Your music alone probably does something
> > > powerful enough.
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Much appreciated Susan.
> > > >
> > > > Lemme know if you have a good source for that oxytocin. Sounds like
> > > > something fun to heat up on a piece of tinfoil and inhale through a
> > > > straw!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <wayback71@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> > > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater <no_reply@>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Curtis you wrote:
> > > > > > > "When I was actually under a cyber
> > > > > > > attack here by a member some people supported me and I
> > > > > > > appreciated that. But I
> > > > > > > would never expect it, even from my online "friends". I can
> > > > > > > handle my business
> > > > > > > here and everyone can handle theirs. So I don't have the kind of
> > > > > > > expectation
> > > > > > > here I would in my personal life offline."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You also state:
> > > > > > > "We don't owe each other support or approval or any of the things
> > > > > > > we might value offline."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, that is interesting for me to hear this viewpoint from you.
> > > > > > > I have considered it and I find that I live in a very different
> > > > > > > way. My rules for engagement, my definition of friends, my values
> > > > > > > of civility and interaction are not determined by the medium I am
> > > > > > > using , the location or the geographical situation I am in. I
> > > > > > > could be on Mars or in my kitchen, the way I conduct my life and
> > > > > > > how I view the world is not determined by the circumstances in
> > > > > > > which I find myself - i.e. whether I am typing to you online or
> > > > > > > speaking to you face to face I will treat you the same and expect
> > > > > > > you to do the same with me. I don't mean that you would treat me
> > > > > > > with respect if I treat you with respect I mean that you do not
> > > > > > > morph into someone other than who you are when you are not face
> > > > > > > to face with me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't think we really are in as much disagreement in this as that
> > > > > > quote seems to be saying. If I re-wrote that I would drop the
> > > > > > ominous sounding "or any other things we might value offline".
> > > > > > That does make me sound kinda psycho! Continuing in psycho mode
> > > > > > for a moment: There is no form of human decency that I recognize
> > > > > > online and no matter how vile or how disgusting or what an affront
> > > > > > it is to decency. I support all evil here as a avatar would in the
> > > > > > darkest regions of Second City slums, where human depravity can
> > > > > > know no bounds!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ok, got that out of my system, I'm back now...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I treat people pretty much the same in my correspondence here as I
> > > > > > do in person. I do post as myself here, everyone knows where to
> > > > > > find me if they want to. I guess I mean only in the area of
> > > > > > scolding people who are being unfriendly to each other. In person
> > > > > > I would have a lower threshold, online it is higher. I figure
> > > > > > people here speak up for themselves as do I. I should probably
> > > > > > keep the discussion about Robin who I judged didn't need my help
> > > > > > rather than make pronouncements that make me sound like an idiot.
> > > > > > I guess I am assuming that you have read enough posts of mine to
> > > > > > know I don't act that way or maybe you have read enough to decide
> > > > > > that I do! Scary thought.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I know the internet is a great hiding place for some people and
> > > > > > > that they can change their persona in a multitude of ways.>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't behave that way here. But I still pick my battles. I felt
> > > > > > Robin was handling himself just fine without me jumping it to
> > > > > > "help" him.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > < But I don't think it is an excuse to abandon the ethics, the
> > > > > > standards that they hold highly when they are not on the internet.>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sure. No argument there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > < Why is FFL or any other online forum a place where we no longer
> > > > > > "...owe each other support and approval." ?? This double standard
> > > > > > is just not me and I don't understand that kind of reasoning. This
> > > > > > seems to me that FFL is/could be a forum for one to act really
> > > > > > badly if one wanted to because, after all, one is not really like
> > > > > > that in "real life" (offline).>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Practically speaking you can't chase after everyone who expresses
> > > > > > themselves in a different way than you would choose here. You just
> > > > > > can't, there is too much interaction. Right now most posters are
> > > > > > being really civil so all this is easy. When we had a poster who
> > > > > > flung obscenities at people in most posts it was harder.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As an example, I like how you post here, and enjoy your
> > > > > > contributions. But if you got into a pissing match with someone I
> > > > > > would figure you can give as good as you get. So I am not laying
> > > > > > down a rule for myself. But Robin's expectation that I be
> > > > > > concerned with people here who expressed that they didn't like him
> > > > > > wasn't gunna fly for me. He didn't have to interact with Barry at
> > > > > > all, it was his choice. Once he made it, against my advice, he was
> > > > > > on his own. So you are right in challenging my words as some kind
> > > > > > of rule. But it doesn't come out that way in practice. And if you
> > > > > > stick around you will see people using the term ethics in a
> > > > > > contrived way to put people down. I mean no one jumps into
> > > > > > everyone else's fights here, so you can always challenge someone's
> > > > > > choices based on the sin of omission. What you think they SHOULD
> > > > > > have done.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You indicate that the newbies don't quite "get it", that the laws
> > > > > > > of good behavior and ethics and just plain life all of a sudden
> > > > > > > become obsolete when you hit the world of the internet.>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That is not what I said or meant. It is just that lots of people
> > > > > > blow through here and few stay. One of my observations is that
> > > > > > some people have trouble adjusting to the odd combination of
> > > > > > intimate conversation and this disembodied context. When I first
> > > > > > started posting I was much more reactive emotionally. Now I am
> > > > > > better able to let things go. I'm glad I was able to let some of
> > > > > > Robin's challenges go. I consider it a sign of me making better
> > > > > > choices here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > < That there are rules and laws and, gee you greenhorns, get with
> > > > > > the program here because you'll go out like a comet or get eaten
> > > > > > alive if you don't. >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That isn't what I said or what I meant.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You asked me if I enjoy posting at FFL. Yes I do, very much, but
> > > > > > > not because I see it as a chance to indulge myself in behavior
> > > > > > > that is not true to who I am, or who I am working hard to be in
> > > > > > > every other moment of my life.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can't think of any behavior I have indulged in that is not true
> > > > > > to who I am so I don't know how it relates. I understand that what
> > > > > > I said can be interpreted to mean these things, but it was not my
> > > > > > intention and I take responsibility for being clear. Lets say you
> > > > > > really ran with this ball and used it as a way to castigate me for
> > > > > > promoting a phoney persona so I could abuse people here. Lets say
> > > > > > you really got worked up about this POV and called me all sorts of
> > > > > > names and told me you hate people who try to pull that shit online
> > > > > > and really invested yourself in this view of me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Inside I would feel wronged because I don't act in an unethical way
> > > > > > here. That isn't what I meant at all. But I wouldn't expect a
> > > > > > bunch of people to jump in to address it. They might, both pro and
> > > > > > con. But I don't believe that anyone is obligated to correct what
> > > > > > would be a misconception about me. And lets take it one step
> > > > > > farther. Let's say I answered you to the best of my ability as I
> > > > > > have here and you responded that it was all bullshit and that you
> > > > > > knew that I was really just a bad guy using the cover of the
> > > > > > internet to do bad things to people here. I might try again to be
> > > > > > understood, but if you came back and doubled down on your
> > > > > > unflattering opinion of me I would let it drop. I might not
> > > > > > respond to the next post directed at me. I might say, that is her
> > > > > > opinion and I obviously am not going to change it. Other people
> > > > > > piling on would probably not change it for you either if I can't
> > > > > > myself.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So that is the context I mean about our personal responsibility
> > > > > > here. We all have to choose for ourselves who we are going to
> > > > > > interact with here. And we all decide what discussions we want to
> > > > > > jump in on. But personally,I don't expect people to. And if you
> > > > > > do, that is perfectly fine too. You'll find people who agree with
> > > > > > you here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am not judging you Curtis, I am giving you my viewpoint.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I appreciate an opportunity to clarify what I meant. And I still
> > > > > > may not have succeeded. But you are welcome to judge me here by
> > > > > > the words I write. It is really all you have to judge me by isn't
> > > > > > it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > I agree that Curtis does not need defending, but I am going to add
> > > > > just a few words here, just to put in my 2 cents of this particular
> > > > > issue. First, I think Curtis has very clear "boundaries" that he
> > > > > lives by. By this I mean he has a healthy awareness of what is other
> > > > > people's stuff and what is his, and he won't interfere or trespass on
> > > > > the stuff that other people can and should deal with on their own.
> > > > > His posts reflect this. It is not a matter of not standing up for a
> > > > > friend - in the classic sense of that expectation I bet he would help
> > > > > a friend who needs defending. But he is allowing others to take care
> > > > > of themselves and assumes that they can.
> > > > >
> > > > > Second, there was a series of posts here by a person who is now
> > > > > longer allowed to post. This person threatened Curtis multiple
> > > > > times, and still Curtis asked that others not intervene or defend
> > > > > him. Partly I think this was to protect others from possibly getting
> > > > > themselves on the bad side of this poster. Partly he knew could
> > > > > handle it himself.
> > > > >
> > > > > Third, I think men are different than women in these areas. Women
> > > > > very easily and effortlessly support and empathize and help and
> > > > > connect. All that oxytocin in the hormone mix makes it automatic. I
> > > > > know there are many times that I have to step back and consciously
> > > > > not give advice and just listen and let people handle things
> > > > > themselves. It is a fine line..........
> > > > >
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