--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > > <anartaxius@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > I don't care where or how often the photo was posted - I find it > > > > > horrific, period. Â I looked at it out of context and I'm glad it's > > > > > deleted. Â It hurts to look at it. But, remember, I'm nowhere near > > > > > where Xeno is staying in my "left brain" so to speak, which is how > > > > > his text comes across on his reaction to the photo. Â Triggers? > > > > > Â Excuse me? Â We are talking about one of our own species committing > > > > > suicide in front of us. Â It's painful to see. > > > > > > > > It has happened again just recently (I am not posting the photo). > > > > > > > > NEW DELHI â" A Tibetan exile who set himself on fire [March 26, 2012] > > > > in India to protest a visit by China's president died Wednesday, while > > > > hundreds of other activists were being detained. > > > > > > > > Jamphel Yeshi, 27, set himself alight Monday at a demonstration in New > > > > Delhi. He ran screaming past other protesters and the media before > > > > falling to the ground, his clothing partly disintegrated and nearly his > > > > entire body covered in burns. > > > > > > > > "Martyr Jamphel Yeshi's sacrifice will be written in golden letters in > > > > the annals of our freedom struggle," said Dhondup Lhadar, an activist > > > > with the Tibetan Youth Congress. "He will live on to inspire and > > > > encourage the future generations of Tibetans."Â > > > > > > > > Self immolation never seems to serve the purpose that its practitioners > > > > seem to think it will accomplish. While Judy felt that Nabby's post > > > > trivialised the death of that previously misguided Tibetan I think the > > > > behaviour of these people trivialises their own lives. Rather than > > > > making people think deeply about the situation they are trying to > > > > underline with their bold display, they usually just create a shock in > > > > the nervous systems of those that manage to hear about it, see images > > > > of it, etc. > > > > > > > > Somewhere inside the ego says 'That could be "me"', and with that, > > > > whatever message was to be conveyed by the incendiary performance gets > > > > lost in an experience of fear generated in the observers as they feel > > > > their own mortality. Except as an afterthought, this does not inspire > > > > people, it weakens them by undermining their comfort zone rather than > > > > inspiring them to pursue their goal, and in the process eliminates one > > > > protester. It is not like a courageous march in the face of an enemy > > > > attempting to bring the enemy down, it is sacrificing oneself > > > > needlessly which is a benefit to the enemy. > > > > > > > > > Barry, from a distance, you must realize how angry you sound. Â Do > > > > > you ever try read your posts with any objectivity? Â Go have yourself > > > > > a good cry..you'll feel better and less paranoid. Â > > > > > > > > In the year I have been on this forum, Barry's style has been pretty > > > > consistent. I do not experience his writing as angry, it is too > > > > automatic for that. I sense Judy gets angry, but I also feel she has a > > > > wider range of intellectual interests than Barry. She shows a lot more > > > > passion than Barry. Barry is far more calculating, I do not think he is > > > > being led on by his emotions to the extent that you are implying. > > > > > > > > On forums as elsewhere, alliances form, dissolve, depending on what we > > > > like or dislike, or are interested in at the moment. For example Vaj, > > > > Barry, Curtis, which some here equate with the godhead of evil, are > > > > three very distinct personalities. Curtis is the most down to earth > > > > from what I can tell, and the most interactive of the three. Vaj is > > > > kind of secretive, so I find it hard to tell what he is about. And > > > > Barry is a kind of mystery too, but I see him playing the cat to the > > > > mouse on the forum, but he actually does not seem interested in the > > > > kill, just in pushing the button and observing the result. > > > > > > > > Now Judy is interested in the kill when her passion is up but sometimes > > > > I think her arguments are more about syntax than the content. But I do > > > > not want to over-generalize. > > > > > > > > If we are heated up by this photo that Nabby posted, maybe we can take > > > > a moment of silence in the wake of those unfortunate departed. The > > > > silence is not for them, or even in memory of them - they are gone - > > > > the silence is for us, to re-establish who we are in relation to a > > > > world that sometimes changes more and in more ways than we would prefer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact remains that this tragedy would not have happened if the now > > > departed soul had a practise of meditation that actually worked. That > > > would have lifted him up from despair. As of now the Buddhists have no > > > such meditation, as this incident shows. > > > Also, if the Tibetans had a leader, not just someone jetsetting around > > > the world and giving nonsense interviews with his superstar-friends in > > > Dharamsala that gives no hope for the future, perhaps this man would not > > > commit suicide. > > > > > > Let's hope this tragic inscident gives the TM-teachers in New Delhi new > > > impetus to strengthen their activities of spreading a meditation that > > > actually works amongst the Tibetans. > > > > > > > Nabby, there is no way that one can say by doing TM will keep one from a > > tragedy whether self induced or by accident. > > > Studies published in Scientific American and Pshycology Today suggests > otherwise. > > > A calming effect, yes, in most cases, I believe. > > > How does one explain the young man who stabbed the kid in the lunch hall > > on campus? > > > > He had serious metal problems. How do you know he even did his TM meditation ? > > Buddhist's set fire to themselves on a regular basis several times a year and > have done so in decades due to the lack of leadership of the Dolly Llama not > providing any progress in negotiations with China. > > You can hardly compare that with 1 incident at MUM in 40 years. > What about all the stokes, cancer, divorce, hushed physical abuse, (I have witnessed a couple of slams by people doing TM on courses, etc; sexual advances, etc;) I am not condemning TM, Nabby. I am just saying one does not want to sound like a born again christian about the practice and its results. It is true it is better to have a practice that helps calm the mind to make better decisions in life about what comes towards one.
When it is time for one to leave the earth, it is their time. Maybe appearing untimely to many, and it may be true, and it is sad to lose life. What are the chances of the man whose body was burning had surya having some 8th house affliction? What if the person who burned, had a Jyotish chart that he was only going to live a medium longevity. Would TM help him have lived longer than his early demise?
