--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@...> wrote: > > <snip> > "If we are heated up by this photo that Nabby posted, maybe we can take a > moment of silence in the wake of those unfortunate departed. The silence is > not for them, or even in memory of them - they are gone - the silence is for > us, to re-establish who we are in relation to a world that sometimes changes > more and in more ways than we would prefer." > > > Xeno, yes, we can do that...for me, the silence is for "them" and for "us" >  - although technically yes, they are gone.  Their memory remains with > those that knew them.  I agree with much that you said on that topic.  I do > think that often, these types of decisions on a personal level have to do > equally (at least) with desperation within the individual as well as perhaps > reflecting a belief system brainwashing.  And then, the religious org > capitalizes on the "shock factor" and manipulates it into a "message."  The > decision to commit suicide is a desperate one, always, in my current frame of > reference. > > I do perceive much of Barry's writing as "angry" when he goes on the > offensive.  He uses numerous terms that denigrate women on a regular basis > and *initiates* many posts that do nothing but put Judy or others down and/or > include a pot shot that comes out of left field.  Not all of them, but > today, it seemed like he was on a negative roll, so it occurred to me that he > was having a bad day and needed to acknowledge that within himself.  Anger > is usually just the external manifestation of a deeper feeling (dare I use > that word)/belief.  I don't always personalize it, but I do sometimes in the > context of my personal experience on this planet.  > > I think Judy's comments are more often about the content and less often about > the syntax. I do absolutely see Barry, Vaj, and Curtis as distinct > personalities - not to say that there aren't similarities in their > perspectives that come across on the text of FFL.  But, they are all the > same gender after all, and I firmly believe in the idea that gender makes a > difference in perception and perspective and delivery and etc. for 99.9% of > the human population.  > That gender difference is pretty wide spread in culture. Looking back on my life, I get the feeling that men want women in their lives but do not want to be inconvenienced by that, but it is always turns out more complicated than the way we men generally think will happen. I think a lot of it is driven by a few simple chemicals like testosterone, you alter those levels and vast differences of experience occur.
I sometimes wonder if Curtis and Barry bailed out of the spiritual trip a bit too early. The spiritual trip is a fraud. At a certain point, things stop seeming to work, and the experiences one had been led to expect do not come. But this is not the fraud. The experience that it is a fraud comes if the spiritual trip succeeds and then you find out it is the ultimate fraud that you were taken in by. But this does not embitter because it is the coolest joke to ever to have been played by. But if you bail out too early, dissatisfied and seemingly cursed by the failure, maybe it results in a lot of disgruntlement with spiritual stuff. I have been disillusioned many times, but I stuck with it. Even if you get the joke there is a lot of work to do. A forum is really interesting, we talk about other people in the third person as if they are out of earshot, but they get to read it all. Now that Emily, she... > ________________________________ > From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius <anartaxius@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 1:32 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fat, old drama queens and their double standards > > >  > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@> wrote: > > <snip> > > I don't care where or how often the photo was posted - I find it horrific, > > period. àI looked at it out of context and I'm glad it's deleted. àIt > > hurts to look at it. But, remember, I'm nowhere near where Xeno is staying > > in my "left brain" so to speak, which is how his text comes across on his > > reaction to the photo. àTriggers? àExcuse me? àWe are talking > > about one of our own species committing suicide in front of us. àIt's > > painful to see. > > It has happened again just recently (I am not posting the photo). > > NEW DELHI ââ¬" A Tibetan exile who set himself on fire [March 26, 2012] in > India to protest a visit by China's president died Wednesday, while hundreds > of other activists were being detained. > > Jamphel Yeshi, 27, set himself alight Monday at a demonstration in New Delhi. > He ran screaming past other protesters and the media before falling to the > ground, his clothing partly disintegrated and nearly his entire body covered > in burns. > > "Martyr Jamphel Yeshi's sacrifice will be written in golden letters in the > annals of our freedom struggle," said Dhondup Lhadar, an activist with the > Tibetan Youth Congress. "He will live on to inspire and encourage the future > generations of Tibetans."à> > Self immolation never seems to serve the purpose that its practitioners seem > to think it will accomplish. While Judy felt that Nabby's post trivialised > the death of that previously misguided Tibetan I think the behaviour of these > people trivialises their own lives. Rather than making people think deeply > about the situation they are trying to underline with their bold display, > they usually just create a shock in the nervous systems of those that manage > to hear about it, see images of it, etc. > > Somewhere inside the ego says 'That could be "me"', and with that, whatever > message was to be conveyed by the incendiary performance gets lost in an > experience of fear generated in the observers as they feel their own > mortality. Except as an afterthought, this does not inspire people, it > weakens them by undermining their comfort zone rather than inspiring them to > pursue their goal, and in the process eliminates one protester. It is not > like a courageous march in the face of an enemy attempting to bring the enemy > down, it is sacrificing oneself needlessly which is a benefit to the enemy. > > > Barry, from a distance, you must realize how angry you sound. àDo you > > ever try read your posts with any objectivity? àGo have yourself a good > > cry..you'll feel better and less paranoid. à> > In the year I have been on this forum, Barry's style has been pretty > consistent. I do not experience his writing as angry, it is too automatic for > that. I sense Judy gets angry, but I also feel she has a wider range of > intellectual interests than Barry. She shows a lot more passion than Barry. > Barry is far more calculating, I do not think he is being led on by his > emotions to the extent that you are implying. > > On forums as elsewhere, alliances form, dissolve, depending on what we like > or dislike, or are interested in at the moment. For example Vaj, Barry, > Curtis, which some here equate with the godhead of evil, are three very > distinct personalities. Curtis is the most down to earth from what I can > tell, and the most interactive of the three. Vaj is kind of secretive, so I > find it hard to tell what he is about. And Barry is a kind of mystery too, > but I see him playing the cat to the mouse on the forum, but he actually does > not seem interested in the kill, just in pushing the button and observing the > result. > > Now Judy is interested in the kill when her passion is up but sometimes I > think her arguments are more about syntax than the content. But I do not want > to over-generalize. > > If we are heated up by this photo that Nabby posted, maybe we can take a > moment of silence in the wake of those unfortunate departed. The silence is > not for them, or even in memory of them - they are gone - the silence is for > us, to re-establish who we are in relation to a world that sometimes changes > more and in more ways than we would prefer. >
