--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Thanks for speaking up. As I have made clear in the > past, I don't interact with Robin because I believe > to do so is to become a codependent in helping an > already mentally ill person to become more so. But > it's been sad to see him "reel in" naive people > here and do pretty much exactly what you describe. > > I have watched Fairfield Life and the general dance > of spiritual naivete far too long to believe that > those who have been sucked into his web will actually > learn from what you said. In fact, they'll probably > attack you for doing it. But thank you very much > for trying. >
Barry, I agree 100% and could not have said it better. And for Lordknows, given what you went through all those years ago, I think your post was not only informative and accurate and insightful, but rather generous to Robin. He had and has apparently incredible charisma, intellect and ability to attract people. I , too wish him well in dealing with such a combination of characteristics. Glad you made it out and away and on to your life. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Lord Knows <lordknows888@> wrote: > > > > Dear Robin, > > > > I know you well, I was in the inner circle of your followers. I lived in > > the group house you named Annapurna in Victoria. I fully experienced what > > ultimately became a waking nightmare in being a member of your cult. I have > > a vivid memory of the day when a member of the group who had been extremely > > close to you attempted suicide after you ruthlessly confronted her and > > declared her to be an evil being who was only appearing in the guise of a > > human being. I remember the meeting at Heronwater in which you spoke with > > ice cold disdain about her when the news came of her attempted suicide, > > your only concern was to send someone to her apartment to collect any items > > from her belongings that could connect her to you. This is a fact, a > > horrible ugly fact which could be verified by all the people in that room, > > about 15 members of the inner circle.I am not proud of my involvement in > > this and many other heartless atrocities that took place over the years I > > was > > associated with you. In due time my turn came to be on the receiving end > > of an ultimate pronouncement on my soul as being irretrievably lost and > > after being brutally confronted by you and the whole group I was ejected > > from the cult with great scorn. This was the standard operating procedure > > and happened to many others over the years. > > > > Robin I have a simple question for you, what in your background gives you > > the the standing, the credibility to make pronouncements about the ultimate > > value of the Eastern Spiritual tradition and declare the death of > > Christianity? I would have thought that if you were truly remorseful for > > the harm you had done to so many people, the last thing you would have > > wanted to do is to give into the temptation to represent yourself as an > > authority capable of passing judgment on whole spiritual traditions as well > > as in some instances making harsh judgments about individuals on FFL. Robin > > you were never enlightened nothing could be more obvious. The biographies > > of enlightened teachers down through time are filled with stories of their > > extraordinary love, compassion and sacrifice in being of profound service > > to their followers. Yours is a record of extraordinary abuse done to your > > followers. I care not a whit for your experience of enlightenment it is > > all words, > > words, words. You did not walk the talk, you were never enlightened. In my > > opinion you were someone who was mentally unbalanced who had a very > > expansive spiritual experience whose ego appropriated it instantly and you > > ran with it. You have natural gifts of intellect and charisma which made it > > possible for you to attract a small group around you who fell for it hook, > > line, and sinker. The center piece of your unique revelations as an > > "enlightened man" was the imperative to confront your followers in order to > > expose the demonic and then expel it. Where in the biographies of > > enlightened sages do you find this method being used to enlighten the > > disciples? The idea that you were faithful and true to Maharishi and his > > teaching is pure fiction that lives on in your mind and your mind > > alone.  > > > >  To put into perspective and accurate chronology your "revelation" about > > the Eastern spiritual tradition, it came in 1987 when you told the group > > that the the mantras we received through TM were the names of demons or > > fallen angels. It did not come years later after you had purged yourself of > > your supposed "enlightenment".It was while you were still in a self > > admitted deeply disturbed state that you received this "truth", and not as > > you have represented here as coming years later. In fact at the time this > > revelation came to you, you also believed that your wife was the > > incarnation of the devil and that Jewish people were evil. This was the > > nature of your very disturbed mind when you had the revelation that the > > whole Eastern spiritual tradition was satanic.  > > The one new conclusion that you have offered here on FFL is that the > > Christian tradition and most significantly the Catholic tradition no longer > > has any spiritual substance whatsoever and has not since the bombing by the > > Allies of the monastery of Monte Cassino (1945) during World War II. A very > > strange and eccentric theory, which is at odds with the example of Mother > > Teresa's life (1910-1997) and also that of saint Padre Pio (1887-1968), to > > give just two prominent examples. > > Robin your record of accuracy on your grand theories and insights is > > abysmal. A pharmacy student in college is allowed only 3 occasions of > > lethal errors in making up prescriptions before he is bounced out of the > > pharmacy department, if you were held to the same standard as a practicing > > spiritual teacher you would have flunked out a hell of long time ago. Why > > it is you think anyone would believe and trust what you have to say about > > religious or metaphysical truth is beyond all reckoning. > >  > >  I am aware of your subtle way of controlling the context by claiming > > you are only just innocently following the prompting of reality itself, > > this was your same way of expressing it during your time as the "World > > Teacher". You put yourself forward as someone who is uniquely capable to > > read the very pulse of reality with no subjectivity interfering with your > > innocent discernment of true knowledge. This seems to me self deception in > > the guise of humble discernment. This is the same methodology you claim to > > be following now, I pray to God the results will not be as destructive as > > they were in the past. I am also aware that you have disavowed your > > "enlightenment" and point to it as the cause of your destructive behavior, > > however I do not detect any significant change in the way you express > > yourself that would be necessary if you had truly cured yourself of your > > "enlightenment". You express yourself in the same convoluted style as > > before, loving > > disputations as much you always did and boldly pronouncing strange > > unique metaphysical theories as always. At times you display a > > beguilingly disarming friendliness, but underneath is the same proud > > spirit. You are still playing the part of the provocateur extraordinaire, > > who while throwing in enough seeming kind words of appreciation here and > > there to keep someone on the line, will always prevail over those who you > > deem are âreactiveâ. The word you would previously have used instead of > > âreactiveâ is "demonic". You use your gifted intellect as a battering > > ram as you always did when confronting the âdemonicâ. Why have you made > > yourself now the great teacher of anti-enlightnment with essentially the > > same way of projecting that you have the inside track on what the truth is? > > This is really just the same as before, you have only changed the content. > > You are now the specially gifted one you is the only person in all history > > to reveal the > > mystical lie at the heart of the Eastern spiritual traditions, whereas > > previously you were the "World Teacher" the only person in history to > > reveal that enlightenment could be individuated on the level of the > > personality. > >  > > You have toned down your language, no more mention of demonic, but the > > basic energy of dominating through subtle manipulation is the same. The > > difference I see is that now instead of confronting someone as being > > demonic you point out that they are defensive and reactive and you always > > claim the moral high ground of innocent non reactive objectivity. You then > > turn your scalding irony on the miscreant reactive and defensive people > > needing correction. This is in essence not unlike what you used to do in > > the bad old days of the cult, maybe it could be called RobinLite. > > > > For you coming and posting on this forum is a major temptation, it is like > > a alcoholic going to the bar. > >  > > Robin even if you could have debated with Maharishi and won by conclusively > > proving that the whole Vedic tradition is a mystical lie, you would not > > find any real peace. You are a prisoner to your mind and it will never give > > you any peace, because it seems to me your mind is disturbed. I was a > > captive to your mind for years, as we all were, and it is a scary, > > dangerous, and crazy place to live. Robin you are the last member of the > > Robin Carlsen cult. Seek help and get yourself free. > > I will not enter into disputation with you and I will not change a word of > > what I have written. In my opinion you are mentally unbalanced and > > arguing with you would serve no purpose. > > I heard the false rumor that you had committed suicide a few years ago, > > when I heard it I was shocked and deeply saddened. In that moment of > > hearing that rumor, I realized I still had a real affection for you in > > spite of everything. I sincerely hope that you will find your way out of > > your personal prison. A number of years ago I requested of a well respected > > healer to do a healing for you. In spite of the toughness of what I have > > written, I sincerely wish you well. > > **************** > > A note to readers of FFL who have found Robin to be very intelligent, > > erudite, insightful, even at times kind and thoughtful. Yes Robin was all > > of that and more when we followed him as well, but at bottom Robin is not > > trustworthy, he is not what he seems. > > There are people on this forum who have found this out. It seems to me that > > the experience of Curtis exemplifies this well. I believe Robin set his > > sights on becoming Curtis's friend because he judged Curtis to be one of > > the most intelligent, interesting, and influential contributors to this > > forum. Robin was over the top in complimenting Curtis about his > > intelligence, his humor ect. ect. (not that this was not truly seen and > > appreciated by Robin) but it had an ulterior motive. That ulterior motive I > > believe is always the same for Robin i.e. to be "The Special One", who is > > uniquely gifted and able to delineate, define and articulate the most > > subtle truth that is knowable and thereby prove his special status. In > > doing this he fulfills his desire for recognition and power. If he could > > work his mojo on someone as significant on FFL as Curtis then he could > > conquer more of the territory that is FFL.This strategy that he tried to > > work on Curtis was one that > > is recognizable to those of us who were in the cult, Robin used it > > frequently. He even had a term for it, he called it compensation. When > > Robin was in this mode we knew he was reeling someone in so that at the > > right moment he would confront the hell out of them, for their own good of > > course. He would be as charming and complimentary as is possible and yet > > still be believable. I am not saying that each and every time Robin > > expresses appreciation of someone that it is leading up to confrontation, > > it is not that simplistic. > > At a certain point I think Curtis had enough of Robin and quite rightfully > > probably thought who the hell is this guy and what gives him the right to > > always put himself on the moral high ground and to put me through a > > grilling. Finally Curtis confronted Robin with the deception Robin had been > > carrying on about not having hit any of his followers when in fact he had. > > To fill in an additional point about that incident, the person who Robin > > hit told me he thought his jaw might have been broken by the force of the > > blow. > > Robin is subtle and very difficult to defeat in argument not because he has > > truth on his side but because he is very intelligent and a master of > > manipulation. Robin's primary method of manipulation is his insistence > > that he is only just innocently following the prompting of reality itself. > > It could be called Robin's truth-o -meter. He is constantly laying claim to > > being in possession of this magic truth-o-meter and apparently he has a > > patent on the damn thing. His favorite tactic is to claim he has the > > moral high ground because he is innocently following the truth with his > > uniquely sensitive ability to intuit the truth. If you call him on this > > every time he does this you will be able to able to effectively take away > > his most important tool in his attempt at domination through manipulation. > > If you don't get anything else out of this post please just follow this one > > essential point when interacting with Robin. One additional point is > > about Robin's > > use of irony, he can not disprove any factual statement through his use of > > irony, try as he might. He might well use his biting irony in response to > > what I have written, but it doesn't change a single fact of what I have > > written. > > Finally, what pushed me to post on FFL was Robin's comment to Share in > > which he surmised that those close to him felt that they had gained from > > the experience of being in his group. I would say I have gained in the > > sense that probably anyone would say they have gained from going through a > > trauma, for example someone who is a cancer survivor would say that they > > have been deepened by facing death and now appreciating the preciousness of > > life. What was gained has nothing to do with the cancer itself, it has to > > do with finding the grace and wisdom that came with the total > > experience.This is what I would say about my experience with Robin. This > > is my opinion on the question, others may differ. > > > > Robin is a fascinating character of that there is no doubt. He has very > > interesting, provocative and unique things to say on topics of great > > consequence (God,Reality,Good,Evil, Maharishi,Christianity, ect.ect.) enjoy > > him as pure entertainment if that is your taste, he sure does stir the pot. > > He is seemingly in his dharma as provocateur extraordinaire, I can't think > > of anyone who does it better.   > > >
