--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@...> wrote: > > With his energy being what it is it is hard even for me to have hard feelings > towards him when I watch a video - beautiful words he expresses, but he > really doesn't say much - just in essence that heaven on earth is possible > and if we do TM it will happen > > > > > ________________________________ > From: raunchydog <raunchydog@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 3:18 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'? > > > Â > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dQPgSyQ2M8&feature=youtube_gdata_player > > Sent from my iPad > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation" <seekliberation@> > wrote: > > > > I was just thinking, i've spent a lot of time arguing, pointing out faults, > > and trying to correct certaing unrealistic points of view with my family > > members, friends, and even a few people on this forum regarding the > > creation of Heaven on Earth. But then I realized....perhaps we just have > > conflicting views of what Heaven on Earth is really going to be like, and > > therefore it's pointless to argue. > > > > For example, I believe that we could do a lot more to make this world more > > conducive to life, spirituality, learning, and education. But just because > > those areas have improved doesn't mean we have 'Heaven on Earth'. But that > > also depends on what concept we consider 'heaven on earth'. > > > > After my interaction with most die hard TMO TB's over the years, I am > > convinced that their conception of heaven on earth is pretty much a Disney > > movie, but with no villians. Everyone will be skipping in the fields, > > singing songs like in the 'sound of music' and holding hands together. No > > one will have to work (at least not hard), no more weapons, no one will > > ever get hurt, we will all live longer, no one will get sick (very rarely > > at least), and basically, every single experience in life that is difficult > > or challenging will go away. It will become a thing of the past. > > Difficulties, challenges, strife, and personal conflict will be over.
Here is the way out of this problem! Stop taking it literally. Heaven on Earth is a description of an internal situation. No one has to work any longer because there is no one (self) left. Your body can be mining coal, but you are not. There is no stress or difficulty because there is no person to experience that any longer. The world can continue on as a hell or a heaven in its qualities, but at least internally you are out of it all :) Still, I hope for comfort and physical and emotional and mental security for us all. I like the Buddhist approach that any job done with awareness and good intent is at least a good thing and at best a spiritual practice. In the old days of the TMO the rankings of people were: Money, TM status, the rest of you. But I think that changed at some point - 10 or 20 years ago? Heart got restored and I believe that there is a more egalitarian and heart-based attitude, right? > > > > I simply wonder sometimes if the TMO has ever really explained what they > > really mean by Heaven on Earth? Do they really advertise that there will > > be no war, no violence some day? No more theft, fraud, cheating or lying? > > All these negative qualities will just disappear? That seems to be the > > perception and that I get when discussing what HOE will be like if it > > happens. > > > > Anyone here have any experience in the TMO actually defining HOE? > > > > seekliberation > > >
