Thanks Emily this is what I've been hoping for, a chance to start over with the posters I clashed with last year. FWIW I don't think any of us can really drop our experience of someone else completely. But as best as I can I'll be on the lookout for when mine of you pops up.
When I said I probably don't get you or Ann I meant that I think I do, but since we've not meant in person, I surely don't. I think it's essential to meet in person to really get someone. Me and my ex found that out the hard way (-: I agree that it can be good to communicate with others who don't agree with us. But often the communications from certain FFL posters to me seems gratuitously confrontational, more like a knee jerk reaction to something I've said, more like an automatic response. In any case, if I can't say something beneficial and or enjoyable, I prefer to remain quiet. As for an example of when you didn't get me I'd say when you said I can't play with people because I can't be vulnerable. Two points on that: if you get what Xeno said about vulnerability and persona, then you get where I live viz a viz vulnerability; and only a masochist would play with certain posters on FFL given that their idea of play and fun seems to be ganging up on someone and saying clever but cruel things about them. I would NEVER want as a friend someone who praised or encouraged me for being cruel to another person. Even if that person is a bit of a curmedgeon who called me spammish and I don't even know what that means! One last thing, can you say why you use the words love and light when you write to me? I admit I cringe whenever I read it. Not one of my favorite New Age phraseologies at all. Ok, off to Dome. Still having inner ear dizzyness. Hopefully won't have to walk on wobbly foam (-: ________________________________ From: Emily Reyn <emilymae.r...@yahoo.com> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Capitalization, on FFL Whoops, again....I think it should be "probably don't get Ann or me either." There. Share, you now have three posts of mine you could choose to respond to. It's up to you now, I initiated the effort to work this out and come to an understanding. I will drop my experience of you, if you drop yours of me to date. >________________________________ > From: Emily Reyn <emilymae.r...@yahoo.com> >To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:18 PM >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Capitalization, on FFL > > >Whoops, I didn't finish my sentence. ...."and learn to respect others." > > > >>________________________________ >> From: Emily Reyn <emilymae.r...@yahoo.com> >>To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> >>Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:17 PM >>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Capitalization, on FFL >> >> >>Dear Share, putting forth effort to communicate with those that think >>differently from you is never pointless, IMHO. I find it instructive; it >>gives me an opportunity to learn different ways to relate, build >>self-respect, and Why don't you think I "get you?" Can you provide me with >>a specific example? In the example you cite, I didn't respond, Ann did, yet >>you wrapped me in to that post. You might be surprised at what I might >>"get," if you would be willing to try to engage honestly. I will do my best >>to be honest as well. You say you "probably don't get Ann or I either." >>What do you mean when you say "probably?" >> >> >> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Share Long <sharelon...@yahoo.com> >>>To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> >>>Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 2:55 PM >>>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Capitalization, on FFL >>> >>> >>> >>>I was reflecting back to Xeno what he himself expressed. Nice try though. >>>Face it, Ann, you and Emily just don't get me at all. And probably I don't >>>get you two either. That's why I generally choose not to engage with you >>>two. It's pointless. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Ann <awoelfleba...@yahoo.com> >>>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>>Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 4:48 PM >>>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Capitalization, on FFL >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: >>>> >>>> Glad result was non malignant. Even though on one level malignant would >>>> have been ok too >>> >>>And you really, experientially believe that? That you could pull off that >>>statement when faced with that kind of grim diagnosis? I say very, very few >>>people could stand there and shrug it off, no corresponding shot of >>>adrenaline hitting you like a sledgehammer as you hear those words. Just >>>standing there with a sublime, accepting beatific expression on your face >>>thinking, "This is ok too..." >>>> >>>> For me that not worrying is also a kind of almost dumb trustingness. So >>>> there is an emotional quality to it but not mushy gushy emotions like >>>> before. Because every emotion contains its opposite. Like two waves >>>> canceling each other out. They both are still there, only still, >>>> vibrating with possibility. At first it can seem very odd indeed, but >>>> then it's fun. And a blessing. What a great gift it has been for me to >>>> have a sense of humor emerge just as the body is falling apart (-: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius >>>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 3:10 PM >>>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Capitalization, on FFL >>>> >>>> >>>>  >>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: >>>> > >>>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > > Xeno, I bet you can appreciate this: last week my best friend and I >>>> > > were laughing our heads off because we both thought we were having >>>> > > heart attacks. On the same day! >>>> > >>>> > > But you perhaps unintentionally raise a good question: is it better >>>> > > to live miserably or die happily? Meanwhile I say enjoy the cunning >>>> > > philosophers who think up such questions to entertain the body mind on >>>> > > a wintry day. >>>> > >>>> > > But Xeno what about this sentence: The cat is the cat. Such a >>>> > > sentence seems to be self contained and thus not needing any sensory >>>> > > experience to support its validity. Its internal logic validates it. >>>> > >>>> > Yes, this is a tautology. A statement that is always true. Self >>>> > validating. The form is 'x = x'. X can be anything, real or imaginary. >>>> > It is not a proposition because it expresses nothing. It is empty. Like >>>> > enlightenment, 'selling water by the river' as the Zen master said. >>>> > True, but nothing to it. >>>> > >>>> > > Which is kind of what happens with Beingness. It is self validating. >>>> > > There is simply the living of it. Yes, it is very difficult to put >>>> > > into words. And I do think a lot of long term TMers are at this stage >>>> > > now. They are simply living Beingness. With little or no thinking >>>> > > about it. And they are experiencing it as the most ordinary thing >>>> > > there is. The most transparent thing there is. Both the most strong >>>> > > and the most vulnerable thing there is. And then one can only laugh >>>> > > one's head off at the absurdity of it all. Which I think FFL >>>> > > perfectly mirrors (-: >>>> > >>>> > Indeed. >>>> > >>>> Additionally (I wrote something earlier and Yahoo's software sent my >>>> response into the aether and giving me an error message), there is the >>>> phrase 'The Absolute Being' (appropriately and imposingly captialised), >>>> which as we become spiritually aware, instigates a search far and wide for >>>> that which is at all times in plain sight, hidden in total obviousness, as >>>> we puff ourselves up with our discoveries along the path which we think is >>>> there. Finally, the bubble bursts and all is well. >>>> >>>> Speaking of heart attacks. I was in the hospital the other week. A biopsy. >>>> The following week I went to the doctor's office, as they had not called. >>>> A nurse, the 'clinical supervisor' had to figure out the results from the >>>> report as the doctor was on vacation. I do not know what she was thinking, >>>> but I was just standing there knowing that the result was either malignant >>>> or not malignant, but it did not matter which because one result or the >>>> other was the only outcome, and which ever one, the course that followed >>>> was inevitable and there was no arguing with either way. This is why it is >>>> called 'the absolute being'. As it turned out, it was not malignant, but >>>> still there might be some consequences, which I have not yet been told. >>>> The mind did not go into a routine like 'oh no, I hope it is not that'. I >>>> was just standing there thinking, 'this is really fascinating, I wonder >>>> which way it will be!', as if there was some new discovery about life to unfold. >>>> >>>> The absence of worry about the future seems to be one of the major >>>> benefits of spirituality as it matures, not because you believe something >>>> will be a certain way, but because there really is no choice about which >>>> way will manifest. You just get to live the way it goes, and the mind no >>>> longer imposes its interpretation (at least most of the time), on the >>>> situation coming forward. Rather the mind becomes a tool to navigate what >>>> is happening rather than an obstacle to what is happening, resiting what >>>> is transpiring in an attempt to maintain an unrealistic world view. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >