--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote: > > Oh God, Judy are you really this desperate?!
Given what I'm responding to, Share, that's pretty ironic. > Ok, I'll play along. Yes, I could be wrong. When you said > that Robin is not average, I assumed you meant that he's > ABOVE average. And I admit that perhaps you meant that he > is BELOW average. And perhaps there are other categories > of NOT AVERAGE: beyond average, hyper average, ironically > average? Perhaps your descriptors of Clintonesque and *far > from perfect* fall into one of these categories? Thanks for the belly laugh. In context of my conversation with Xeno, "average" meant "not ordinary." I don't think that's really terribly controversial as a description of Robin. But it should be obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together (not you, IOW) that it's a very *general* statement, much too general to infer from it, as you did, that it had to do with conventional standards of behavior, much less that I was suggesting Robin's behavior exceeded such standards in all respects. Robin is "ordinary" in one respect: He has lots of different traits and abilities, some "better" than others. But I wasn't thinking in terms of value judgments of any of them, and I suspect Xeno wasn't either, when he and I agreed that Robin wasn't "average" (although I expressed doubt that "average person" in this very general sense was particularly meaningful, since everyone has many traits and abilities, some of which are "better" than others). If we *do* want to talk in terms of value judgments, it would be reasonable to consider each of his traits and abilities in turn and determine where each one falls on some scale from below average to above average. On the other hand, Robin has undergone such massive changes over the course of his life that we might have to ask about where his traits and abilities fell on a scale of below to above average during particular periods rather than overall. That would certainly be the case with behavioral standards. And we might have to break it down still further and ask about his behavior in specific *situations*, perhaps even with specific *people*. Plus which, we might find ourselves disagreeing. You and I have *very* different standards of behavior. I realize all this explanation is futile as far as your understanding is concerned. I'm fully prepared to see, if you respond to this, what will amount to a dog's breakfast made of what I actually said. > So Judy when you say that Robin is not average, do you mean you think he is, > in relation to average, above, below, beyond, hyper, ironically or some other > category of average? > > > ________________________________ > From: authfriend <authfriend@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 9:11 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry and the Mystery Cultist > > > > Â > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > Perhaps this is the crux of the problem and one to which you > > Judy contribute a huge amount. Meaning this business about > > Robin being, as you say below, not average in many specific > > respects. The problem is that when a person is labeled not > > average by some people, and by not average it is obviously > > meant above average, then other people almost automatically > > expect above average behavior from that not average person. > > And your assumption is, then, that I "obviously meant > above average"? Do you think you might possibly be > wrong? > > > You can't have it both ways Judy. You can't call someone > > above average and then expect others not to hold that > > person to an above average standard of behavior. > > Perhaps that's why I never said "above average"? > > And given that I've cited Robin's abusive behavior 30- > some years ago any number of times--according to what > both he and others have described--it becomes even more > puzzling why you would think I meant "above average" > in terms of standards of behavior. I'm quite sure I've > said of even present-day Robin that he's far from > perfect. > > And I imagine you will recall, with a little prompting, > that in this present discussion I pointed out that > *from the start* I've said I considered his Open Letter > move to be "Clintonesque." > > > Well, obviously you can do this. But most people won't > > buy the inherent contradiction of such thinking. > > What's interesting about you, Share, is that you see > "inherent contradictions" where they don't exist and > fail to see them where they do (such as in your own > posts). > > If I were you, I'd try to figure out why you so badly > misunderstood what I've said about Robin. > > > ________________________________ > > From: authfriend <authfriend@> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 7:35 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry and the Mystery Cultist > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > <anartaxius@> wrote: > > (snip) > > > Well then, why don't we just forgive Robin for his past > > > > Why don't we hope that Robin can forgive *himself* for > > his past? > > > > > and then shoot him. > > > > And then, since we don't have any evidence to the contrary, > > treat him like a normal human being, mental-health-wise? > > > > You are right about no evidence. These > > > are surmises on my part. Whether he has what would be > > > termed a psyciatric illness or not, if we take an average > > > human being in the centre of the Bell curve, no matter what > > > Robin is, I do not think he would be near the center of > > > that graph. > > > > I'm not sure "average human being" really means anything. > > But I agreed with you several posts back that Robin wasn't > > "average" in many specific respects. Why that would suggest > > to you some kind of personality disorder, in the absence > > of any evidence of same, is peculiar, to say the least. > > > > > If I am full of 'pure malicious vengefulness' I need some > > > help here guys. > > > > I think what you need to do is stop saying things that > > "look like" (quoting myself) they're maliciously > > vengeful. (It's odd how you changed what I said into > > your being "full of pure malicious vengefulness.") I > > don't think you should require any help to do that. > > > > > I mean, I understand the emotion of revenge, but mere pure malicious > > > venefulness is a bit out of my territory, so I need advice. How can I > > > become a worse person and implement this particular mode of behaviour so > > > it would be really really effective? Robin has not done anything to me, > > > so I would require, I believe, some very convincing reasons to proceed, > > > that is, reasons other people would believe are 'true'. > > > > > > > >>>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@> > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I guess you missed where this post of Ann's was discussed > > > >>>>>> at some length in the recent discussion, Xeno, huh? Too bad; > > > >>>>>> you thought you had discovered something that was being kept > > > >>>>>> under wraps. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Now, any ideas about who the Mystery Cultist might be that > > > >>>>>> I quoted, the one person here who actually tried to excuse > > > >>>>>> Robin's striking his students in the private setting before > > > >>>>>> there were any seminars? > > > > > > > > > >
