I must say I agree with everything you said.
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On Fri, 1/17/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com <awoelfleba...@yahoo.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, 4:51 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
     
       
       
       Michael wrote:
 I feel the Universe
 has nearly infinite if not infinite experiences we can all
 have, and the so-called higher states of awareness or
 enlightened perception, including all the celestial
 perception stuff is just another experience among a plethora
 of experiences.
 I agree. I also have a hard
 time finding greater or lesser validity of any particular
 experience over another. An experience experienced is just
 that - it is reality for that experiencer. And as we all
 know experience is ultimately subjective and particular to
 each person. How to understand or interpret, let alone judge
 or put some value on someone else's reality/experience
 is, for me, an exercise in futility. I do, however, believe
 in personal growth and the reality of the possibility for
 the expansion of awareness and the development of
 sensibility in different human beings in different phases of
 their life or lives.
 
 I think
 that if one chooses one can create an experience, a persona
 that is real moral, always sativcc, always unperturbed, sort
 of like the historical Buddha was supposed to have been. But
 most of those who have "higher states of
 consciousness" cycle from those kinds of experiences
 into egoic focus that includes often enough the idea that
 since everything is a play of awareness, it doesn't make
 a tinker's damn what they do with and to people, cuz its
 just all consciousness playing around. No rules, no standard
 of conduct, these are the ones like Muktananda, Maharishi
 and Rama who go off the deep end of ego and screw things
 up.
 
 I also think that many
 people who are under the assumption that a sort of higher
 state of consciousness can or does exist in
 "gurus" or "teachers" and are therefore
 responsible for giving these people free licence to do as
 they please and to support them in this, often to the
 detriment of everyone involved. I have yet to see anyone
 free of ego and I don't think of ego as something
 terrible. Like many characteristics, it can become
 distorted, unbalanced but in and of itself ego is neither
 good or bad. Just as ambition or empathy or passion is not
 inherently, ultimately good or bad. How it manifests can
 make the difference between something becoming positive,
 negative or simply remaining benign. It's complex, of
 course.
 I guess my point here is that it takes enablers to
 allow certain individuals to spiral out of control. When you
 put someone on some sort of pedestal it can really screw
 them up, whether they are "holy men" or "holy
 women" or the Justin Biebers and Miley Cyrus' of
 the world. Feed the ego like you would force feed a goose to
 fatten up the liver and sooner or later you create something
 that is unwell.
 
 
     
      
 
     
     
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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