Judy, my distinction between shame and guilt comes from contemporary psychology and I agree with your last sentence.
On Saturday, January 18, 2014 1:03 PM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" <authfri...@yahoo.com> wrote: That's your personal definition of "shame," Share. You're making an arbitrary distinction between feeling guilt and feeling shame. My dictionary says shame is: "a painful emotion caused by consciousness of guilt, shortcoming, or impropriety" I'd say if you are unable or refuse to feel pain about having done something wrong, there's something wrong with you. << emptybill, I think it's appropriate to feel guilt about wrong doing and to make amends. But imo shame is toxic. It says that there's something fundamentally wrong with the person rather than that they did something wrong. >> On Saturday, January 18, 2014 12:42 PM, "emptybill@..." <emptybill@...> wrote: Judy - it was a play upon and between words and meaning. You should've gotten it. And finally, I find the notion that one should never feel shame for one's mistakes contemptible. I feel shame that your mistaken notion is contemptible.