I confess I don't understand that at all - were there only men on that first
course? How come the householders weren't there and what kind of piggy things
were you guys doing?
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On Sat, 2/8/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com <steve.sun...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 8, 2014, 1:13 AM
I was
never one for flashy experiences. The hi-light of the
course, was, of course, all the face time with
Maharishi.
There was all kinds of
experimentation going on with diet, and enemas, even to the
point where we had blood withdrawn, for some sort of
testing.
Also, it was during that
time that I developed quite a love, yes love, I will say for
the Upanishads. We would read those for hours at a
time. I don't recall if it was that period, or a
different period when I was actually able to sit in a full
lotus for at least a half hour period of meditation,
sometimes with my hands in the mudra pose. I noticed
that that had a profound influence on purifying my
physiology. Now, I don't like to use buzz words
like that, but that is the best way I can describe it.
I remember reading later, that the full lotus helps to
purify, or have a positive effect on the nerves in your
body.
I did have one flashy
experience which I related here before, I believe. I
had worked myself into such a devotional frenzy towards
Maharishi, that I actually had the sensation of my heart
melting. Yes, I suppose it was some effect of the
heart chakra, but it was the most exquisite feeling, and it
felt like...... your heart melted.
Another funny moment, I may
have shared here before. This six months course was
the worst, the very worst time for householders in the
movement. We were getting all this face time with
Maharishi, and the householders were feeling very
bereft.
Well, one afternoon, John
Konhaus, (who was, and still is, I believe, married to Sarah
Konhaus) has us all convene for a meeting, and declared in a
very strong voice, "Maharishi was VERY embarrassed
today" He said that that a hotel owner in a
different town called the hotel owner in the hotel we were
staying in, for a recommendation, and asked what kind of
guest we were. Evidently the hotel owner said that the
guests in this, (our hotel), "were like pigs".
Oh, we got a big kick out of that.
Good times. Good
times.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...>
wrote:
Thank you for
sharing those stories - so what kind of experiences did you
have on that 1st 6 month course? And did you get the sutra
for understanding the language of animals? That's the
one I always wanted.
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On Sat, 2/8/14, steve.sundur@...
<steve.sundur@...>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 8, 2014,
Hey
Mike,
Since I know you like this
kind of thing, I'll relate a few stories from the time
I
was on the first six month course along with Andy Rhymer,
Rick Archer and others. In fact, Andy was in my small
group, along with some "108's". It was
our responsbility to correspond on Maharishi's behalf
with some the other teacher's and 108's who were
stationed around the world. I remember getting
letters
from, I believe, Michael Brule, was teaching in Iran and
was
getting harassed by the Shaw's secret service. I
believe it was called the Savak, (yes, just checked it, and
that is correct). In fact, I think he was even
imprisoned for a time. He was feeling pretty
discouraged.
At any rate, I remember Andy
describing his experience of doing Puja, and describing
wave
after wave of bliss. I also remember him describing
to
Maharishi some past life experiences, and saying each
previous incarnation was displayed as a sort of statue
park,
during an experience he had.
Probably the best moment was
when Andy was talking directly to Maharishi, who was there
in the room, as he often was, and telling Maharishi that
the
most important part of enlightenment was devotion to the
Master. Maharishi said it was the most
"natural", and Andy kept insisting that it was
the
most "important". There was a sweet back and
forth
that when on for a while like that.
As to Andy being, or
becoming an alleged pedophile, don't have an answer for
that. Edg is on record here saying that he'd
remove the alleged part.
If that is a
disqualification for being enlightened, I really can't
say. I'm not familiar with all the ins and outs
of
it. But it does seem that many who may have done some heavy
lifting to get that point, (of enlightenment) will
sometimes
take a funny detour.
As for Robin, yes I found
him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had classic NPS,
I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much
of the time. But then again, it doesn't register
with me much if a person is said to be enlightened or
not.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
<mjackson74@...>
wrote:
M said Robin
Carlsen and Andy Rhymer were enlightened.
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On Fri, 2/7/14, steve.sundur@...
<steve.sundur@...>
wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 7, 2014, 10:26 PM
Speaking
for myself, I never felt I was guaranteed enlightenment.
Yea, I know all about cc in 5 - 7 years, but I never
put much stock in that,nor did I know others who did.
Perhaps that was the extent
of the misrepresentation, it you're looking for a
"smoking gun", at least as far as the
"gaining enlightenment" part.
Otherwise, I think people
got involved either for a vision of possibilities, or
because because they were looking for
"something",
and this seemed to offer some potential.
But as for declaring such
and such a person as "enlightened", that would
appear to be pretty out of place in any tradition I'm
familiar with.
Spiritual growth is a pretty
personal matter, not something you're likely to crow
about.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
<turquoiseb@...>
wrote:
--- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
wrote:
>
> Now, wait. This sort of sounds like a set up. I say
this because you have always been a proponent of the
"these (supposed) states of consciousness are all
subjective and can't be proven". So, why would
such a declaration be important to you?
It
wouldn't be the least bit important to me. But
you'd
think it might be important to Maharishi (who sold this
supposed state of consciousness for close to 50 years) to
be
able to point to even one of his students who embodied it.
After all, if he didn't, people might begin to think
that the sales pitch was a pile of crap.
