That's how it generally works Michael. When shown to be in error, just double down, or triple down on the error. You have no idea what you're talking about, and so you're trying the "baffle with bullshit" angle.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : you are both full of it - if you are going to stick to this assertion, try it out - you don't even have to go to India - go to your local Hindu temple, waltz in and tell the priests they are not really priests, they are just philosophers. Tell the worshipers they are not actually worshiping their gods and goddesses, they are just practicing philosophy. People don't generally kill each other over philosophy, but they damn sure do over religion. Muslims get killed in India not because they insult a philosophy but because they have insulted the a religion, or some aspect of the religion. If Hinduism was a philosophy it would be called one rather than one of the worlds MAJOR RELIGIONS - but I guess you two know better than a billion Hindus and 5,000 years or so of a religion's existence. You assertion is one of the most absurd contentions I have seen on FFL and that's saying something. -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... <steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 3:30 AM Michael, sometimes it sounds like you just like to hear yourself sound off. And sometimes you sort of look like a jackass. Sorry about that. You see that sometimes when people think they've got it all figured out. Or maybe when an agenda they're so attached to, doesn't leave an opening for any dissenting information. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation. -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... <steve.sundur@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 2:43 AM You know Michael, things may not always be as black and white as you'd like to make them with regard to Maharishi. Santana Dharma might be more akin to a philosophy than a religion according to many. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu <noozguru@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a "buzz" from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The "buzz" would be the increase of "shakti" which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word "Hindu" was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with "I" so they put an "H" in front. Sort of of a joke. And "Hinduism" just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The "invaders" also thought the practices constituted a "religion." And truly there are some Indians who practice it "religiously." :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the "fact" that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could possibly make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest "discoveries" of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, obviously they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emptybill@...> wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the "meaning" of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has enough reward for the time invested. Some people seem to take to it like ducks to water and become full of flashy experiences and evangelical zeal, I know I did. Go figure.....
