Steve, you got me chuckling here first thing in the morning. I think you nailed not only the Indian accent but also some of the phraseology used by people from India. Not to mention the gift that they generally have, the ability to not be offended.
On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:50 PM, "steve.sun...@yahoo.com" <steve.sun...@yahoo.com> wrote: Scene: Hindu Temple Somewhere in the US Michael Jackson at the front door looking in, seeing the Hindu Priest: MJ: "Hey Hindu Philosopher, Whats Up?" Hindu Priest: (in sing song cadence) "I dount knoow who you are talking tooo. Are yuu talkingg tooo me?" MJ: "Yea I'm talking to you". (then looking over at the Shiva lingam) "How's that Philosopher's Stone doing?" HP: ( Head moving left to right) "Duu yuu mean our Holy Shiva Lingam" MJ: "Yea the Philosopher's Stone" HP: "Eeet is duing fine, thank you" MJ: "When do the philosophy students come?" HP: "Duu yuu mean the congregation?" MJ: (then getting ready to bolt out) "Yes, I was told that Hinduism is a Philosophy and not a religion" HP: "That ees fine. If yu are more comfortable calling it a pheelosophee, then that is alright. Noo problem there" MJ walks back to his car shaking his head. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote : That's how it generally works Michael. When shown to be in error, just double down, or triple down on the error. You have no idea what you're talking about, and so you're trying the "baffle with bullshit" angle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : you are both full of it - if you are going to stick to this assertion, try it out - you don't even have to go to India - go to your local Hindu temple, waltz in and tell the priests they are not really priests, they are just philosophers. Tell the worshipers they are not actually worshiping their gods and goddesses, they are just practicing philosophy. People don't generally kill each other over philosophy, but they damn sure do over religion. Muslims get killed in India not because they insult a philosophy but because they have insulted the a religion, or some aspect of the religion. If Hinduism was a philosophy it would be called one rather than one of the worlds MAJOR RELIGIONS - but I guess you two know better than a billion Hindus and 5,000 years or so of a religion's existence. You assertion is one of the most absurd contentions I have seen on FFL and that's saying something. -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... <steve.sundur@...> wrote: >> >>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant >>stupidity >>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 3:30 AM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Michael, >>sometimes it sounds like you just like to hear yourself >>sound off. And sometimes you sort of look like a >>jackass. Sorry about that. You see that >>sometimes when people think they've got it all figured >>out. Or maybe when an agenda they're so attached to, >>doesn't leave an opening for any dissenting >>information. >> >> >>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> >>wrote : >> >>Alright I tell >>you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a >>soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion >>and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - >>you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana >>instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are >>sending off into your next incarnation. >> >>-------------------------------------------- >>On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... >><steve.sundur@...> >>wrote: >> >> >> >>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure >>willfully arrogant stupidity >> >>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >> >>Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 2:43 AM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You know >> >>Michael, things may not always be as black and white as >> >>you'd like to make them with regard to Maharishi. >> >> Santana Dharma might be more akin to a philosophy >>than >> >>a religion according to many. >> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB >> >> >> >>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, >><mjackson74@...> >> >>wrote : >> >> >> >>you are as full of >> >>shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a >> >>philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree >> >>with you. >> >> >> >>-------------------------------------------- >> >> On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu <noozguru@...> >>wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure >> >>willfully arrogant stupidity >> >> >> >>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> >>Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>So did you get >> >> >> >>a "buzz" from the puja? >> >> >> >>You should and that's probably why you liked it. >> >> >> >>The "buzz" would >> >> >> >>be the increase of "shakti" which is >> >> >> >>something not well understood >> >> >> >>by western science. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Another thing we need to remember is that just the >> >> >> >>word "Hindu" >> >> >> >>was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the >> >> >> >>Indus Valley >> >> >> >>who could not pronounce a word starting with >> >> >> >>"I" so they put an >> >> >> >>"H" in front. Sort of of a joke. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>And "Hinduism" just like MMY said, is indeed >> >> >> >>a philosophy just >> >> >> >>like Buddhism and not a religion. The >> >> >> >>"invaders" also thought the >> >> >> >>practices constituted a "religion." And >> >> >> >>truly there are some >> >> >> >>Indians who practice it "religiously." :-D >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant >> >> >> >>stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the >> >> >> >>sort of thing meditation was designed >> >> >> >>for. Is it too >> >> >> >>late for a >> >> >> >>refund? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>I >> >> >> >>don't know why >> >> >> >>you people get so upset at a few >> >> >> >>inconvenient facts. I'm >> >> >> >>an athiest and I loved the puja, all that >> >> >> >>bowing and >> >> >> >>singing and incense, just like some sort of >> >> >> >>religious >> >> >> >>thing but not a religious thing because it >> >> >> >>was all in >> >> >> >>foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why >> >> >> >>would it >> >> >> >>matter? Unless you are some sort of >> >> >> >>religious person who >> >> >> >>has what they are allowed to do proscribed >> >> >> >>by someone >> >> >> >>else, but who would admit to that? As the TM >> >> >> >>teacher >> >> >> >>said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice >> >> >> >>one. If you >> >> >> >>don't, it's a short one. And >> >> >> >>besides, I wanted to get my >> >> >> >>hands on the enlightenment and the >> >> >> >>supernatural powers >> >> >> >>the book promised, so I would have sat >> >> >> >>through a hymn >> >> >> >>service at the local church. >> >> >> >>Almost. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Anyhoo's, I don't >> >> >> >>remember any god doing anything for me >> >> >> >>lately so I >> >> >> >>conclude that the origin of mantras is >> >> >> >>irrelevant, and >> >> >> >>also about as irrelevant as other TMO >> >> >> >>teachings I had >> >> >> >>plowed into me like the "fact" >> >> >> >>that most of classical >> >> >> >>Indian literature happens to be present in >> >> >> >>my body in >> >> >> >>some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me >> >> >> >>about as >> >> >> >>religious a statement as you could >> >> >> >>possibly >> >> >> >>make. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Coincidentally, you >> >> >> >>can cure people of any health problem at all >> >> >> >>by chanting >> >> >> >>the relevant section of something called the >> >> >> >>ved at the >> >> >> >>unwell part of the body in another >> >> >> >>undoubtably secular >> >> >> >>(and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress >> >> >> >>the >> >> >> >>balance. According to the latest >> >> >> >>"discoveries" of >> >> >> >>Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the >> >> >> >>reason we >> >> >> >>get ill in the first place is because the >> >> >> >>battles of the >> >> >> >>Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. >> >> >> >>Astounding. >> >> >> >>Order me an obviously secular yagya >> >> >> >>immediately! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>But >> >> >> >>mantras I don't >> >> >> >>care about. I mean, obviously they >> >> >> >>come from >> >> >> >>some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this >> >> >> >>stuff does >> >> >> >>and all this stuff is ancient. The question >> >> >> >>is, why >> >> >> >>would that be a surprise to >> >> >> >>anybody? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, >> >> >> >><emptybill@...> >> >> >> >>wrote : >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Recently I >> >> >> >>have read here on FFL an argument >> >> >> >>professed by >> >> >> >>former TM’ers who stopped >> >> >> >>practicing because they claimed they >> >> >> >>were deceived >> >> >> >>about the >> >> >> >>"meaning" of >> >> >> >>mantras. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>I don't >> >> >> >>believe anyone has stopped for that >> >> >> >>reason. Usually >> >> >> >>they quit because they don't think >> >> >> >>like it or don't >> >> >> >>think it has enough reward for the time >> >> >> >>invested. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Some >> >> >> >>people seem to take to it like ducks to >> >> >> >>water and >> >> >> >>become full of flashy experiences and >> >> >> >>evangelical >> >> >> >>zeal, I know I did. Go >> >> >> >>figure..... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
