Lawson, I think we all "get it" that you're a "TM science" junkie, and that you believe that "the science says it all" when it comes to TM. Well, as you've noticed, not everyone on this forum (including many long-term TMers) thinks that the "TM science" is solid enough to prove much of anything.
The point I am making lately is that you seem unaware of a more pressing criterion that people use when evaluating non-stop claims about the "TM science." That is, what IS it that motivates someone to do it non-stop? Judging from your own posts here, what YOU seem to see as one of your primary ways to have fun is to try to start arguments about TM and its supposed science on Reddit and on other Internet forums. When these threads you post as argument-starters don't pan out the way you want them to, you tend to come back here to FFL and beg other people to go to these other forums to "join in." Doesn't this strike you as somewhat...uh...ODD behavior for a grown man? Doesn't it strike you as a bit...uh...fanatical? Doesn't it make you wonder about the person whose life seems to revolve around doing this, when there are so many other things to do with life? Doesn't it make you wonder about the claims that TM helps to make a person more "well-rounded" or "balanced" in life? Hint: the "TM science" ain't ever gonna "prove" diddley-squat if the people presenting it over and over and over and over and over in an obviously compulsive manner come across as cult fanatics. People are going to be tempted to weigh the messenger as much as they weigh the message. And in my opinion, they should. ________________________________ From: "lengli...@cox.net" <lengli...@cox.net> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source? Maharishi chose to use a subset of the mantras that are available,.presumably because his intuition said it was a sufficiently large subset to be useful. Upcoming research on TM using advanced EEG analysis should help make it more clear what it means to be "useful." In the meantime, the TM organization is apparently embracing Alaric Arenander's idea that TM centers should start to do public demos of EEG coherence as part of introductory lectures on TM. Here's the main excerpt of the Maharishi Global Family Chat presentation he made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyITv-rIDzk&list=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA The EEG shown in the video looks to be pretty darned unusual. Certainly, looking at the EEG described in papers published about other meditation practices, it is inescapable to conclude that the EEG found in long-term TMers and long-term practitioners of other techniques are as different as night and day with respect to what starts to show up the longer one has been practicing the various techniques. TM really IS different than other practices that have been studied, with respect to EEG. TM researchers aren't able to get guys like Dietrich Lehmann and Roberto Pascual-Marqui to participate (or so the rumor goes) in multiple EEG studies on advanced TMers because they're excessively charismatic or something. These guys are teh very tip-top in their field. If these guys decide to study something, it is because they think it is interesting and unusual, both. http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/index/members/lehmann/cv11.htm http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/loreta.htm L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote : Did I not say that beej mantras are commonly used in astrology not to mention ayurveda? But few westerners had penetrated that information back with MMY started TM. Funny thing it is not uncommon to find that people's names start with the sound associated with their birth star (nakshatra) even if they are westerners and their parents knew nothing about astrology. As Graffitiswami might say: Go figure. On 03/30/2014 07:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > The comments section is well worth reading, esp the long one from John: http://www.wildmind.org/mantras/figures/tm The origin of the TM Bija mantras (seed sounds) are to be found in the so called “Hoda Chakra” which is printed and reprinted in virtually all the published astrological almanachs in India. The Hoda Chakra lists 108 seed sounds, each one allotted to the 4 padas of the 27 star constellations (Nakshatras).All this is well known in India. Mostly it is used in the selection of Names,based on the Moon’s position in a particular Nakshatra Pada. In an advanced version of the TM, this astrological information (position of the Moon at birth) is used also for selecting the seed sounds.Actually, what is known and practiced as the TM is part of the a large and complex system. Perhaps less than 1% of this has filtered through the contemporary TM movement.
