So, a decade or more ago you got kicked out of the cult. You still sound really depressed about it. Have you ever considered visiting a cult-exit counselor? If not, why not? Thanks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote :
There is no hope for the TM Movement since it was founded on the energies of deceit, deception and self aggrandizement. Non sequitur. Most people aren't interested in the personalities involved - we already know about Curtis, Barry and Rick, and we can form our own opinions - all we want to know is what happened to all the money. It must have cost the TMO thousands of dollars in food and lodging to put you up for all those years. Go figure. And while there were some TM teachers who were dedicated to spreading TM, there were a whole lot more who were in it for what they could to for themselves personally. Non sequitur. Meaning they wanted to get enlightened and would do whatever it took to achieve that illusory goal. These men and women would abandon a TM Center in a heartbeat to go do some long rounding courses, leaving everyone in the lurch, bailing out on any commitments they had made to anyone and everyone. Non sequitur. The current Movement is being propped up by an aging bizarro movie maker who parades a bunch of celebrities in front of the world waving their hands and saying "Look at us! We are famous and rich! We got that way by doing TM! Do TM and you can be famous and rich too!" Non sequitur. They grinning TM mooks like Bob Roth then claim there is lots and lots of science to back up the outrageous claims made for TM, and the TM scientist shills like Boby Schneider then step up and wave sheaves of paper around saying "Look at all these studies we got the guv'ment to pay for! They prove that TM is good! Never mind about the raw data, you can't see that, just take our word for it, TM is good!" Non sequitur. The Movement has very little traction these days, far too many people see through the absurdities they proffer. It is on its last legs. I give it another maybe 7-8 years before it is marginalized enough that you won't much of it anymore. When Lynch kicks the bucket, the celebrity pitch will run out of steam, RIP TM Movement, and good riddance. Non sequitur. From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~ “The problems and the solutions for the TM movement are in the first three sutras: Friendliness, Compassion, Happiness.” -A friend who is successful in life, an old meditator who moved to Fairfield, Iowa in retirement observes. ..when did the movement change? Reminisces: More distinctly it changed in 1977 with the coming of the Vedic Atom re-organization and the wholesale sweeping out of a corporate order of national leaders and coordinators then who had used metrics of numbers of initiations to guide the movement up to that point. From then the movement became sidhis-centric, it overlooking entirely the teaching of TM, it overlooked the meditators, and the new administrators adjudicated based much less on merit and metrics and much more by their sense in fealty of a faith and belief in Maharishi and Maharishi's teaching using a one-way, “never do we entertain negativity, never do we denounce anyone”. There was a change in the cultural esprit de corps in teaching of TM from then to being more of a faith-based organization. From the moments of the Vedic Atom creation a lot of the most experienced and effective TM teachers were left out with no place to return to 'out in the field' within the movement. These were the experienced field teachers who themselves were still on courses in Europe or just then going over to courses and not in sync in that free-for-all creation of teams made up of just anyone and going out in usurpation. I was there and saw this, eye-witness. It was like witnessing the decapitation of the whole officer corps of a standing army then. Chaos ensued out in the field and autocrats tried to control it from on top at a distance. It was quite sad to watch what happened to people. It was something that happened. Even great leadership makes mistakes in history. Years later now in TM, scientist CEO's, administrators, with some who are effective teachers by character being more in charge the teaching movement now is getting back to metrics of performance and evaluation in the teaching of TM. We may yet wait for the remaining old-guard Plutarchs to get out of the way and in to their retirement or die, whichever can come first. An alarming message for change within sent by some retrogressive element in this more recently was in honors granted in a re-appearance and rehabilitation of the Wilsons, Neil Patterson, Abramson and some others being brought up and placed seated on stage at the 40th anniversary celebration of MIU. Is that a movement that people would come back to, going forward? # ..when did the movement change? Bhairitu writes: After the AE courses. Some teachers came back and assumed being "TM Gestapo". Most of them were very mediocre souls probably lifetimes away from attaining any permanent state of enlightenment. They were rude and mean to other teachers and made pronouncement as if they had a stick up their butt. That's when folks started fleeing elsewhere. ..I've been away from the TMO since 1985 but I seem to recall some of them got drummed out themselves. They never bothered me but I sure heard stories from people who were their victims. Sometimes what goes around comes around. # Are any of them still in charge of anything:? L Discussing: “One thing which is interesting here is that this movement was founded by people who had a distinct lack of the first list and an abundance of the second list. To take a year off college and go to a 3-month TM TTC in 1972 required a great lack of obedience, compliance, conformity, discipline and adherence; and a great abundance of authenticity, self-direction, self-expression, appreciation of diversity, critical analysis, and playfulness. When did we change?” ..when did the movement change? As the culture of the movement became TM-siddhis centric. Back when the metric changed from numbers of meditators and the teaching of TM over to groups of people practicing TM-yogic-flying. The friendly, compassionate, and happy movement became something else under a new administrative leadership with a different mission from then. Discussing: “Specifically, our community culture highly values: obedience, compliance, conformity, discipline and adherence. These values go directly against the grain of: creativity, authenticity, self-direction, self-expression, appreciation of diversity, critical analysis, and playfulness which are generally the characteristics of later stages of development.” ..Discussion: I feel this is a very powerful way of analyzing. ..examples of our community culture valuing “conformity,” for example? LEnglish5 wrote : I think you're wrong all the way across the board in your conclusinos, even if you make partially valid points. The TM organization appears to be thriving, and on the verge of being 100x laster than it has ever been, while being recognized by the largest organizations in the world as being important. Of course, that last may never happen, but what if does? L Yes, granted that in places the TM movement is progressing. That evidently depends though on people and a character of the people involved how it is going. In Latin America pretty obviously it is happening because of the integrity of the person there leading it. Elsewhere the TM movement is pretty small. They guy in Latin Am. is way inclusive in language and nature, sort of like the new pope, and simply teaching TM. At the level of the Global Country of World Peace it evidently is way exclusive as a faith-based organization. Their GCWP is a very small organization actually. It is some numbers of hundreds. It seems is not out of the woods yet, post MMY: 'All chiefs and no indians', as the old saying went.. And certainly no young leaders on the stage or at the microphones yet at important functions. The Global Country is about 30 Rajas and some 'Ministers' like Bevan and Neil holding fast to the movement tiller and microphone. Lot of the Rajas evidently bailed in various ways. A meditator community observer here with a valid Dome badge watching their meetings and videos comments, 'they should look and see if anyone is following'. By contrast, I was up at Mayo Clinic last week. Consistently rated at the top in healthcare, their contrast in organizational culture of ease, fluidity, collaboration, graciousness, mission of service, focus and outcome is spectacular by contrast with the halting organizational cultural of fears endemic within organizational TM. anartaxius wrote : I suspect Michael, that Maharishi as a young spiritual groupie was much like the people who eventually surrounded him, with that bright naive sense that everything would be grand. And then the reality of the world, the incapacities of the people, began to set in. Nothing goes the way you think it will go (though statistically there are always a few people who are on the lucky end of the curve). He did acknowledge there would be a flaw that would derail the whole thing. But there is always more than one way for something to come off the rails, and it can come from inside oneself just as well as from outside. Creating an organisation, especially a large one, is one way to bollix up the works because resources that might have been used to supposedly enlighten people have to be diverted to support and sustain the organisation. The organisation then becomes a vampire that sucks its supposed beneficiaries dry in order to sustain itself. Anyone at the head of such an organisation who has personal issues or flaws in relation to its stated mission becomes a major distorting factor in its growth, along with the flaws of all the rest who become part of it. Add to that that enlightenment offers nothing in the end except the knowledge that there was nothing to get in the first place and cuts you loose to live your life independently means those few who do 'succeed' in getting what this truly odd business of 'spiritual' growth is about are not usually going to be enthusiastic about being surrounded by spiritual cretins and their inept dreams of a utopia. mjackson74 wrote : Too bad he was a damnable liar. From: "email4you mikemail4you@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: Cc: Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 5:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~ [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) https://us-mg6.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=1m3eulnvn0j8u#TopText from email4you included below] I will fill the world with Love, and create Heaven on Earth. Maharishi,1959 Jai Guru Dev Stationery, a Yahoo Mail and Paperless Post collaboration https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/features/stationery
