--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > on 12/3/05 10:59 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > wrote: > > > > I am interested to know what does it mean to be liberated? > > > > > > Realizing that you were never bound. > > > > I am silly enough to not even know I was bound. Am I now just on the > > beginning of the road: i) it was just implied I must be bound, ii) > > i must now seek liberation iii) at some point I will realize I was > > never bound. > > > > Hmm, things seemed simpler in the zero state -- the ignorance of > > being bound in the first place. > > > > Serious point actually. It seems that "seekers" are the few in the > > population that would characterize themselves as "bound". > > True enough: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_cave > > So did you consider yourself a seeker before you read > Rick's response? If so, what did you have in mind that > you believed you were seeking? > > You asked about the meaning of "liberation." What was > it that made you curious about it?
Two different anons here (two manifestations of the ONE immortal ANON). I wrote the latter response, but not the original question. I see your point of the allegory in the cave. But it seems to be there may be a deeper paradox here swallowing up even that. I will ponder on composing such. Meanwhile, the cave is a good story for a "seeker" -- but is it necessarily a universal truth for all? It all has the appearance of co-dependent relationship. The seeker needs the "boundaries" in order to justify his (sometimes strange) seeking rituals. And needs to empower the boundaries, by recognizing them as such, in order for them to have power over her. Do teachers and guides create the game by first disclosing "you are bound and ignorant"? And then further the game by saying "and here is the path to get out of boundaries and ignorance" ? And then pulling the rug our from under you by saying "it was just a joke, you are not bound, you are not ignorant."? Do teachers create students, per the above game, because they feel bound -- not full yet? Again, it seems that "seekers" are the few in the population that would characterize themselves as "bound". Your world view appears to include the oblivious (unaware of the existence of boundaries) , seekers (aware of boundaries and seeking to escape them) and the liberated (aware that boundaries do not exist.) It is still not clear why and how the first and third are different? Are you saying one needs to be aware of a state of delusion prior to liberation in order to be liberated? No that doesn't make much sense in that if boundaries never existed, ignorance never existed. Seems to be the "seekers" trap. Why can't someone simply be happy where they are now, without first having to imagine unreal boundaries, and unreal ignorance of the fact that the boundaries and ignorance are unreal? ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
