As far as I can see, this thread is based entirely on unverified statements made by someone called Karl, and yet those statements are being treated as facts, leading to a bash-the-TMO fest.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : I am curious if the world outside the various Movement environs, is still referred to, disparagingly, as "the relative"? It was big back in the '80's, and could account for the lackadaisical attitude dealing with govt. agencies, etc., but hopefully the mindset has changed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : This would actually be going against the *culture* of theTMO. Loyalty would be challenged. If you think going to see another guru is Verboten, try calling OSHA on the TMO! You would instantly be the Judas of the movement. Am I wrong or am I just too *negative*? Really, I like Maharishi and TM but in Kali yuga *everything* is tainted! From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <j_alexander_stanley@...> wrote : Air in the ladies' dome is still crap, though. Even wearing a mask, Petra can't take going there more than once in a while. Has anyone thought to actually get in an air quality control professional who can test the mold spores in the air? Or the formaldehyde or other such contaminants? This isn't rocket science and as administrator or someone associated with the place I would insist on it. It is only responsible to do so and is a no brainer given the fact you are offering a facility to the public where there might be health concerns arising from bad air quality. Why not put a bug in the ear of non MUM officials in town whose job it might be to inspect these places? Blow the whistle, so to speak, given real concerns about not only the engineering but the health issues this would be incumbent on someone to do so. Hell, I'll do it! I'm good at raising a little hell...LOL Or, are the townfolk in the pockets of MUM administration? Or, are there even any native town folk left?? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Re: the supposed mold. This rumor gets re-circulated. Things got changed quite a lot when they changed the entrance for the men's Dome to the East side of the Dome and built the entryway/ coat room there a few years ago. That closed off the basement level entry to the Dome. The air-handling system was invested in and changed then too in major ways. Also new foam and linens got ordered and replaced the old. There is a regular system for reducing dust by laundering sheets. Actually the Quality of the air is quite good now relative to what was the mold problem. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@...> wrote : what I've personally witnessed over the course of my life is that the TMO does things as cheaply as possible. Spend as little as it can get away with, regardless of the out-come. When it comes to physical structures, this is manifest in planning, actual building and maintenance. Putting all three things together with the intent to save money and they get disaster. From: "olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool. I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without addressing the foundation leaks you mention, my concern is that they are further sealing in the existing mold. Such revelry when the dome was built, and now this. Sad. First step would be to fire the facilities manager, and give the next one a decent budget. Some really un-grounded thinking going on, or just sheer neglect. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <j_alexander_stanley@...> wrote : I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my shoes, and head upstairs, where the air was better. But, I kept coming out of program with headaches. At that point, the only reason I went to the dome was Petra insisting on it, and I finally put my foot down and kicked my flying wings to the curb. As for the dome, itself, my recollection is that on top of all that beautiful woodwork is foam insulation (probably sprayed on) and topped with some kind of protective membrane. I doubt there's much in the way of new-age hippy roofing material that could be used on such a structure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : I would be *very* concerned about the persistent reports of organic mold too, within the structure. No 'suspected' about that stuff - it can be fatal, getting into the lungs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Question- What is the toxic substance being used? How long is it toxic for? Does it dissipate? Is there a better ,longer lasting, cost effective substance to use? Is the *organic* mold in the domes any less toxic? How old are the Amish workers? Are they currently out of school and doing summer work? Are they union? Are they undercutting union workers? I would imagine the substance being used on the domes is some sort of sealer and wood preserver, among other things, and that would mean some sort of either creosote or petroleum product as in tar. These things are carcinogenic, as are a multitude of other products including glues, foams etc. Unfortunately, undertaking a heavy duty roofing job has to include toxic materials as I don't believe the Iowa weather is conducive to banana leaves or palm fronds providing adequate cover over a shelter. On the other hand, workmen should be adequately protected against these fumes and other ways in which these waterproofers and sealers can get all over you. To be working without respirators and adequate suits and gloves would be idiotic and most likely against the law. From: "Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FFL Post <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool. Of possible interest here... ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Fairfield Citizen karlherzl2008@... [FairfieldLife]" <fairfieldlife-nore...@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife-nore...@yahoogroups.com> To: fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:44 AM Subject: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool. Hello - Perhaps the group could offer insights into this controversy. It appears the repair job on the roof of the meditation dome for men is being done with highly toxic, suspected carcinogenic, chemical products, and Amish contractors who use teenage laborers. Some of these laborers appear very young. No safety gear appears to be in use. Questions: Why is the college using toxic (suspected carcinogen) products on the dome roof repair? Why is the college not requiring protective equipment on adults and teens working on the roof as a condition of the contract? (Harnesses, respirators, clothing) Is the roof repair project genuinely compliant with Iowa and Federal law regarding dangerous workplaces and children? Is the system being gamed? Why is a college that offers degrees in sustainable living, and loudly touts itself as organic, sustainable, Non-GMO and "conscious" using toxic chemicals on the roof of their meditation dome? Why didn't the college insist on the use of green products, consult with green experts or follow LEEDS best-practices and guidelines? A survey asking for community feedback about these issues was shared today: https://surveyplanet.com/preview/55ed8b0a4f05a0ab3c6fbe27 https://surveyplanet.com/preview/55ed8b0a4f05a0ab3c6fbe27 Thanks - Karl