--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > <snip great rap> > > > > So, the same with akashanon. The more he challenges what we who > > have Awakened express, the stronger it gets. I don't know whether > > it helps him or not, though... > > I suspect it has the opposite effect, but I agree with you. > When I watch one of the "clingers to self" acting out their > "I'm in ignorance and proud of it but I'm willing to tell > you all about enlightenment anyway" thang here on FFL, I > have several simultaneous reactions. The first is that I am > *immensely* grateful that, unlike them, I have had my own > experiences of enlightenment and don't have to try to fake > knowledge of enlightenment based on the intellectual > bullshit we've all been told *about* it over the years. > > Second, I often find myself laughing, often out loud, > because the intellectual posturing and trying to sound > knowledgeable about something they've never experienced > really *IS* laughable. (Sorry, but it is...if you guys are > going to continue to do this shit, *somebody* should tell > you the truth.) Third, *even as I'm laughing*, I tend to > feel sorry for the person doing the intellectual posturing > about enlightenment, remembering that if I hadn't been > lucky enough to have a few experiences of awakening myself > that I'd probably be posturing the same way and spouting > the same intellectual bullshit. And fourth, I try to > remind myself *never* to try to explain the subjective > experience of enlightenment to anyone who hasn't already > experienced it, because then I'd be just as laughable. > > All in all, it's a real multidimensinoal learning experience... > Yep, I agree with all that you are saying. To the last point, 'explaining...', this forum is quite a unique place in which to attempt that, in that as far as I can tell, all are meditators of some form or stripe, and it is within this context that I feel comfortable sharing my experiences, both to clarify them through this forum, and to help dispel this notion and very damaging myth from the Christian tradition I suspect, that, try-as-we-might-we- never-get-there, oh-us-humble-sinners and on and on and on and on...
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