--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 9, 2006, at 8:42 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mar 9, 2006, at 6:38 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > > > Wow, tat's a lot of words! > > > > > > > > Which you obviously don't want to deal with. Especially > > > > your oh-so-convenient forgettery with regard to your post > > > > on the checking procedure. > > > > > > > > > The simple answer is this: > > > > > > > > > > Checking shows how the mechanics of effort are used. > > > > > > > > In fact, the "simple answer" is that checking shows how > > > > the mechanics of effort are *not* used. > > > > > > > > Again: If you didn't get this, you never got what TM is. > > > > > > The bottom line in this case is simple: > > > > > > if it uses "patched placement", that is if it uses some method > > > where the mind has to be brought back to *something* (in this > > > case the mantra) in order to work, > > > > Right. Not the case with TM except in the early stages > > of practice. > > > > Think: What is the mind "brought back" *from* in TM? > > Exactly--that which needed "patched". If it didn't need "patched" > (if you didn't "need" to meditate), you'd experience the > transcendent through all states! > > But if it is being brought back from the transcendent, it *is* > being patched. Oh well, subtle effort. So much talk.
Says Vaj, avoiding responding to my question, just as I predicted: > > (Vaj won't respond to this, just as Barry didn't > > respond to a similar question from Lawson.) To address his nonresponse on its own terms: There is no "bringing back" in TM, either from transcendence or from the recognition (thought) that one is not thinking the mantra. If Vaj was meditating by "bringing back" the mind from either to the mantra, he most certainly wasn't doing TM. <snip> > > Very wise sharing on that by Rick (I also received > > > a number of posts off list on that one where numerous people > > > shared similar experiences). > > > > Oh, yes, we know, Vaj, you remind us often about how > > you have access to all *kinds* of privileged data. > > Well you heard the same thing if you were *listening*. He posted > it here. He posted what you had received offlist? <snip> > > > Really if you have questions > > > > You seem to be imagining things. I didn't ask a > > question. > > Actually you asked what Mahesh said specifically at Estes Park > several times--so did your side kick. If by "sidekick" you mean Lawson, and if by "question" you mean what MMY had said specifically at Estes Park, we asked *you* because you were the person who had brought it up. The answer to our question therefore was, "I don't know exactly what he said at Estes Park." But somehow it seems to be impossible for you to say "I don't know." ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
