On Mar 10, 2006, at 10:58 AM, authfriend wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 9, 2006, at 8:42 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 9, 2006, at 6:38 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > Wow, tat's a lot of words! > > > > > > > > > > Which you obviously don't want to deal with. Especially > > > > > your oh-so-convenient forgettery with regard to your post > > > > > on the checking procedure. > > > > > > > > > > > The simple answer is this: > > > > > > > > > > > > Checking shows how the mechanics of effort are used. > > > > > > > > > > In fact, the "simple answer" is that checking shows how > > > > > the mechanics of effort are *not* used. > > > > > > > > > > Again: If you didn't get this, you never got what TM is. > > > > > > > > The bottom line in this case is simple: > > > > > > > > if it uses "patched placement", that is if it uses some method > > > > where the mind has to be brought back to *something* (in this > > > > case the mantra) in order to work, > > > > > > Right. Not the case with TM except in the early stages > > > of practice. > > > > > > Think: What is the mind "brought back" *from* in TM? > > > > Exactly--that which needed "patched". If it didn't need "patched" > > (if you didn't "need" to meditate), you'd experience the > > transcendent through all states! > > > > But if it is being brought back from the transcendent, it *is* > > being patched. Oh well, subtle effort. So much talk. > > Says Vaj, avoiding responding to my question, just as I > predicted: > > > > (Vaj won't respond to this, just as Barry didn't > > > respond to a similar question from Lawson.) > > To address his nonresponse on its own terms: There is > no "bringing back" in TM, either from transcendence > or from the recognition (thought) that one is not > thinking the mantra. If Vaj was meditating by "bringing > back" the mind from either to the mantra, he most > certainly wasn't doing TM.
Ignoratio elenchi. Your question has already been answered numerous times, you just can't accept what you're hearing is all. Nothing new here. <sigh> > > <snip> > > > Very wise sharing on that by Rick (I also received > > > > a number of posts off list on that one where numerous people > > > > shared similar experiences). > > > > > > Oh, yes, we know, Vaj, you remind us often about how > > > you have access to all *kinds* of privileged data. > > > > Well you heard the same thing if you were *listening*. He posted > > it here. > > He posted what you had received offlist? As you've been told several times, it was posted here--actually Rick has posted it here, on this list, three times. > > <snip> > > > > Really if you have questions > > > > > > You seem to be imagining things. I didn't ask a > > > question. > > > > Actually you asked what Mahesh said specifically at Estes Park > > several times--so did your side kick. > > If by "sidekick" you mean Lawson, and if by "question" > you mean what MMY had said specifically at Estes Park, > we asked *you* because you were the person who had brought > it up. > > The answer to our question therefore was, "I don't know > exactly what he said at Estes Park." But somehow it seems > to be impossible for you to say "I don't know." I have every reason to believe what Rick is saying not only because he was there and I trust him, but also because I understand experientially what's going on. It's beyond me as to why you are so entrenched in denying the obvious--but it's a common thing you do, this TM apologist trip. Whatever. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
