--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > <no_reply@> > > > wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > No, there is no relationship in any way whatsoever, of black > > > holes > > > > > in which matter, energy, and time, are completely > annihilated > > > from > > > > > the universe, to an entity that "keeps" energy for a couple > of > > > > > billion years. > > > > > Time, space, gravity, energy, matter are all entirely > consumed, > > > > > and "dissapeared" in a classic black hole (which by > definition > > > > > exists until the end of the universe because the time is > trapped > > > at > > > > > zero...there is no time ----this is the classic black hole > > > > > theory....what you are describing is a glorified neutron > star. > > > > > > > > Er, gravity is not anhilated by a black hole. >> > > > > > > No-one knows what gravity is, so get off your pretentious high > horse > > > and recognise that the classical description of a black hole is > that > > > time stops within a black hole (ie no time), no space, no > gravity. > > > The laws of PHYSICS DO NOT APLLY BEYOND THE EVENT HORIZON --- > > > gravity, time, energy, space, etc. are not known but it is known > > > that the laws of physics do not apply. > > > > > > Just in case you don't get that this is what a black hole is. > > > The laws of PHYSICS DO NOT APLLY BEYOND THE EVENT HORIZON. > > > > > > This is also true of the Plack scale and the Plack era (even > > > slightly after the Planck era, they do not apply). > > > > > > So stop telling us how you think black holes are explained. The > only > > > explanation for a classic black hole is that the laws of physics > do > > > not apply beyond the event horizon, and if that description is > > > changed them it is nothing more than a glorified neutron star. > > > > > > The laws of PHYSICS DO NOT APLLY BEYOND THE EVENT HORIZON. > > > > Actually, classical black hole theory says that the laws of > physics do not apply at the > > singularity at the center of mass. I have never heard a theory > claim that they don't apply > > beyond the event horizon, >> > > > Well now you have: > "According to Roger Penrose's Principle of Cosmic Censorship, the > fact that the laws of physics break down inside the event horizon > has no impact on the physics outside the black hole " > > http://astrosun.tn.cornell.edu/academics/courses/astro201/bh_structur > e.htm >
YOu gotta learn to stop selectively reading. Here is what that URL actually says. Note that it says explicitly that: "At the center of the black hole lies a singularity, that is, a region where the current laws of physics break down because the circumstances are so extreme." In fact, we do not really know what the inside of a black hole is like. Describing the characteristics of the structure of a black hole still remains one of the challenges of modern relativistic astrophysics. The Schwarzschild radius is the radius at which the escape velocity equals the speed of light. The surface of the sphere of radius equal to the Schwarzschild radius is called the event horizon. We on the outside of the black hole cannot learn anything about any event taking place within the event horizon, and thus we can think of it as the "surface" of the black hole. At the center of the black hole lies a singularity, that is, a region where the current laws of physics break down because the circumstances are so extreme. Note that the Schwarschild radius scales with the mass of the black hole. The Schwarzschild radius of a 1 solar mass black hole is 3 x 105 cm. According to Roger Penrose's Principle of Cosmic Censorship, the fact that the laws of physics break down inside the event horizon has no impact on the physics outside the black hole (so we needn't worry about the failure of our current physics too much!?). > > <<though of course, by definition, you can't prove such a thing, > > either way...>> > > > You can't prove black holes even exist. What you are failing to > understand is that they are stil theoretical. Physicists follow the > laws of physics backwards until the laws of physics don't apply any > more so they cannot follow them anymore. > The same is true of the Planck era at the big band. IN FACT, it is > well known that AFTER the Planck era 9for a few nanoseconds, the > laws of PHYSICS DO NOT WORK. The same is true in many macroscopic > examples. There is a whole binary star system that has baffled > scientists because it in no way shape or form adheres to the known > laws of physics. > Hmmm... Reference? And, it there are myriad books out there about the oddities that existed, according to theory, during the first few seconds of Existence. We're not talking about that OR about the singularity, but about the conditions inside the event horizon and outside the singularity "region." You're familiar, of course, with the mathematical truism that if the universe is "closed" it is, by definition, a universe-sized black hole, yes? If conditions inside a black hole were automatically different than outside, our physical laws couldn't work if the universe was closed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
