--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > beyond the event horizon, and if that description is > > > > changed them it is nothing more than a glorified neutron star. > > > > > > > > The laws of PHYSICS DO NOT APLLY BEYOND THE EVENT HORIZON. > > > > > > Actually, classical black hole theory says that the laws of > > physics do not apply at the > > > singularity at the center of mass. I have never heard a theory > > claim that they don't apply > > > beyond the event horizon, >> > > > > > > Well now you have: > > "According to Roger Penrose's Principle of Cosmic Censorship, the > > fact that the laws of physics break down inside the event horizon > > has no impact on the physics outside the black hole " > > > > http://astrosun.tn.cornell.edu/academics/courses/astro201/bh_structur > > e.htm > > > > > YOu gotta learn to stop selectively reading. Here is what that URL actually says. Note that > it says explicitly that: "At the center of the black hole lies a singularity, that is, a region > where the current laws of physics break down because the circumstances are so extreme."
Sir Roger Penrose is very clear on this. "According to Roger Penrose's Principle of Cosmic Censorship, the fact that the laws of physics break down inside the event horizon has no impact on the physics outside the black hole " <that AFTER the Planck era 9for a few nanoseconds, the > > laws of PHYSICS DO NOT WORK. The same is true in many macroscopic > > examples. There is a whole binary star system that has baffled > > scientists because it in no way shape or form adheres to the known > > laws of physics. > > > Hmmm... Reference? > > And, it there are myriad books out there about the oddities that existed, according to > theory, during the first few seconds of Existence. We're not talking about that OR about > the singularity, but about the conditions inside the event horizon and outside the > singularity "region." Um, a singularity is a singularity. Beyond the event horizon the laws of physics break down "Mathematically, as we look back in time, we can determine that the laws of nature completely break down at 10 to the minus 43rd power of a second (Planck time) after the creation event." > > You're familiar, of course, with the mathematical truism that if the universe is "closed" it is, > by definition, a universe-sized black hole, yes? Um...reference please. <<If conditions inside a black hole were > automatically different than outside, our physical laws couldn't work if the universe was > closed.>> Um...reference please. You are making the mistake that you think the event horizon is just some region of space like any other. There would be an immediate change to infinite gravity, and zero time, which even before infinity is reached the laws of physics will not work as expected. The event horizon is that point at which the physics breaks: ""Recall that a black hole has a singularity at its center which is cloaked by an event horizon. The radius of the event horizon is the Schwarschild radius ===> R(Sch) = 2 G M / c**2 . Recall that it is good that the singularity is hidden from our Universe by the event horizon as interesting (and odd) things can happen near the singularity. So now ask the question of what happens if you merge the ideas of QM with the ideas of Einstein (GR)? Well, suppose that W(Compton) ~ R(Sch) so that the uncertainty in the position of the singularity becomes comparable to the radius of the event horizon. This will uncloak the singularity!! On this scale, the structure of space-time becomes poorly defined and general relativity (as formulated) must break down. Planck Scales This breakdown occurs for masses known as the Planck mass which is defined as Planck mass = M(P) = sqrt[hc/(2G)] ~ 5.5 x 10**(-5) grams For reference purposes: m(proton) = 1.7 x 10**(-24) grams and m (electron) = 9.1 x 10**(-28) grams The W(Compton) and R(Sch) which correspond to the Planck mass is W(Compton) = h/mc = R(Sch) = 2GM/c**2 = 4 x 10**(-33) cm""" http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~imamura/209/apr5/planck.html Now, I have given half a dozen references for my points. You have given none. Lets see you back up your sentences now with references. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
