--- "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> TurquoiseB wrote:
> > It seems to me that the concept of relative
> creation
> > being separate from the Absolute, or existing in
> some
> > kind of "fallen" state as the "sin of
> manifestation"
> > is based on having *started* one's philosophical 
> > ponderings by accepting as a given an assumption. 
> >
> That the world is characterized by suffering, a
> fallen
> state, is a basic fundamental Buddhist concept. It
> is 
> mentioned by the historical Buddha in the Four Noble
> 
> Truths. I wonder what kind of Buddhist philosophy
> Barry
> has been reading all these years. For a fact he read
> 'Surfing the Himalayas' by the Zen Master Rama,
> because
> he admitted it. But I wonder if Barry read the
> Buddha's 
> first sermon. Go figure.

Yeah, that Barry is a real spiritual 'tard!




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