On Mon, Jan 03, 2022 at 10:21:38PM +0000, Ankur Sinha wrote: > The introduction task was added there to familiarise folks with the > mailing lists, just as the pagure ticket is also intended to familiarise > folks with a ticketing workflow.
Okay, that makes sense. I'll wear my agenda on my sleeve here: I'd like to get away from mailing lists being a requirement for Fedora participation. I know devel list is still the center of the universe, so it's gotta be in there, but... when is the last time _any_ of us saw an interesting open source project and thought "yes, another mailing list to sign up for!"? My kids don't even check their email unless I tell them to. It's like the equivalent of going down the rural lane to a mail-box two miles from the farmhouse or something. :) > > would really be ideal. (We could even configure the Matrix integration to > > send new topics to that chat room.) > +1, a place there for our team discussion would work well. So that's there and waiting :) > The list is just an asynchronous counterpart to the Telegram/Matrix > channel because the channels are not/cannot be always monitored. Right. I, for one, am a big fan of this. So much easier to interact at one's own life pace. > Anything that happens on the channels can happen here. That includes > the cases you've covered but with an important addition---it is a > dedicated space for newcomers to ask *whatever they wish*. But, it is > not like any other community team channel---it is a protected space. > "Newcomer? Not feeling confident enough to post to the team's channel? > No problem! Post here! We're here specifically to answer your > questions!" (Even if people are not using it for this purpose much, we > do need to have it in place.) > > I don't think Discourse lets us keep this communication channel > isolated/protected in the same way. For one, irrespective of whether it > is a category or a tag, a user sees posts from *all* of Discourse on > their landing page on discussion.fp.o. Even if we send folks to a > category/tag, it's really easy to navigate away to other parts of the > universe there. So, the excellent navigation features of Discourse are a > good thing for users that want to keep up with multiple tags/categories, > but not necessarily for newcomers who may find the large amount of info > it exposes them to confusing/overwhelming to begin with. I'm pretty confident we could theme a category to feel a more protected in that way. > A dedicated limited/filtered "view" that limits newcomers to our > tag/category only would be ideal, but I'm not aware of a way that this > can be done (without affecting other users and so on). Wait, I want to take this to Discussion because I want to include a screenshot. ... Please follow me to https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/creating-a-space-for-new-users-for-fedora-join/35713 to continue :) I do agree with and understand the following part which I'm leaving here, though: > Neither the list nor the channel are replacements for the "Welcome to > Fedora" ticket system. That needs to stay separate because that's the > main and only door that we want to funnel people to, and they'll find > out about the rest of the community through that process. -- Matthew Miller <mat...@fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader _______________________________________________ fedora-join mailing list -- fedora-join@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fedora-join-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fedora-join@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
