This is pretty interesting. I've heard for quite a while about the 3 year protocol, but out rescue still promotes a yearly protocol (although I don't do that). Was wondering about a good reference for this. I checked out the newvaccinationprotocols.com below, but see a lot of data without links. But particularly interesting is the info on the adjuvant stuff - not sure what we use, I know it's from Ft Dodge (Wyeth Labs)...

"Non adjuvanted vaccines cause much less inflammation, so are less likely to cause a fibrosarcoma. Although there have been a few reports of VAS from non adjuvanted vaccines, they are clearly much safer."

Gloria


On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:54 AM, MaryChristine wrote:

just go and do a search for "avma vaccination protocols." you'll at least get PROFESSIONAL references. not that that means they are impartial, but at least they're a little better than a lot that gets passed around on the net--for example, ALL the vet schools in the country have adopted the every-three-year protocol, at least within the past year, if not longer ago. so any vet who doesn't know about it is not keeping up with their own profession.

this article, which i'd never seen before, i found PARTICULARLY fascinating....

http://www.newvaccinationprotocols.com/Legal%20Considerations.htm


On 6/21/07, elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I lost my Felicity to vaccine-related fibro sarcoma
http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/felicity.html

They've changed the vaccine now, however...there is less risk. There is still risk, however.

I can tell you though that with an aggressive fibro sarcoma, amputating the paw can prolong the life but it cannot save it. Felicity had her leg amputated. A very sad and heart-wrenching story. The survival rate even for humans with this type of cancer is abysmal.

I'm glad to hear there is on-going research.

It's a difficult call. Some vaccines are formulated to be given every three years. Others are formulated for every year. Many say you don't want to give a vaccine yearly formulated vaccine every 3 years. There have also been tests that indicate the three year vaccines are less effective. I'm told that currently the best way to ensure you aren't over vaccinating is to have blood work done for titers...but you could still end up paying for that test and still have to pay for the vaccine too.

My vet doesn't like to vaccinate immuno-compromised or geriatric cats. I confess that I am very shell-shocked from my experience with Felicity...and I do not have my cats vaccinated every year. It might make more sense to have them vaccinated more often if they were outdoor types. I really think that if we still had FeVL+ babies living with us, I would have them vaccinated more often.

I've lost babies to the vaccine - and I've lost a baby to FeVL+. Both are heart-wrenching.

elizabeth


On 6/21/07, Jane Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: The risk of vaccination and sarcoma is not inconsequential.
Many veterinarians have altered their vaccination protocols to
every three years because recent studies that have indicated we are
over vaccinating our animals. In many instances one vaccination
can protect an animal for its lifetime, and revaccination and boosters
are driven by the economics of a practice and pharmaceutical companies.

Dr Jean Dodds DVM and Ronald Schultz DVM are now conducting the 'Rabies
Challenge"
research, which is an effort to prove that one rabies vaccination is
sufficient for
the lifetime of an animal.

I did not intend to get into a vaccination discussion, other than to
say it is prudent to
research the type and frequency of vaccinations. There are many
practices that now
inoculate cats just above the paw, so that in the event of a sarcoma,
the paw can be amputated
and the animals life saved.

Jane



On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Melissa Lind wrote:

> I had heard that on the radio or something--about not needing
> vaccinations
> every year. If I don't have to put them through the stress...I think
> I'll
> approach my new vet about the distemper. I guess my reasoning for not
> vaccinating the youngest is simply because she doesn't ever go
> outside. She
> doesn't even sneak out, or try to sneak out. The chances of her
> getting FeLV
> from contact through the screen patio door are so slim, that I just
> would
> rather not. But, if I ran a rescue where I had cats coming and going
> all the
> time, I definitely would vaccinate--more risk involved.
>
> Melissa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley
> Saveika
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:32 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan??
>
> I think that the risk of vaccination and sarcomas is so low as to be
> inconsequential.  I think it is really important that all cats be
> vaccinated against FELV in the first year, and my vet agrees, so
> that's what my rescue does, even though it adds to our cost.
>
> It is a personal decision though, like everything else. I'm certainly
> not trying to tell other folks what to do.
>
> I did see that the latest AAFP vaccination guidelines recommend going
> to once every 3 years against distemper...
>
> On 6/21/07, Melissa Lind < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree that the majority of the people here mix, but I never would.
>> This
> is
>> probably because I'm a newbie to this and a doubting-Thomas of sorts,
>> but
> I
>> just can't bring myself to expose my youngest (less than one year)
>> since
> she
>> would be most susceptible, and I've opted not to vaccinate her against
> FeLV
>> because of the risk associated with vaccination and sarcomas. I don't
>> have
>> any FeLV cats now, but when I did, I kept him in one room until I was
>> able
>> to find him a home. It was a lonely life for the poor guy, but I
>> spent a
> lot
>> of time with him. If I had to do it long-term, I'd set up an area for
>> several FeLV cats so they could have companionship. That's my plan
>> for the
>> future.
>>
>>
>>
>> But, I'll have to say that most people here know a lot more about this
> than
>> I do-but that's just my own personal choice so far.
>>
>>
>>
>> Melissa
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of
>> catatonya
>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:57 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan??
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I was just there yesterday! I live in Woodstock, but we have a place
>> on
>> Lake Buckhorn.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I would say the majority of the people on this list mix their
>> positive and
>> negative cats as long as they are adults and have been vaccinated. I
>> have
>> done this over 10 years with no problems.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I can't tell you dosages, because I don't give DD anything special
>> except
>> 'good' food.  (Whatever that may be these days)  Royal Canin.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> tonya
>>
>> Laura Mostello < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> Jane suggested that I ask the list for food
>> recommendations for Duncan. What would you all
>> suggest? She also mentioned some supplements, like
>> lysine and maitake. I know that these are readily
>> available at health food stores, but I'd like to know
>> about the dosage amount and frequency. Right now
>> Duncan's appetite is excellent, and I'd like to keep
>> it that way.
>> He isn't my only cat, by the way. There are 8 others!
>> All were saved from the euthanasia list at work.
>> Duncan lives separately, in my tortoise room. This is
>> probably a really stupid question, but I'll ask it
>> anyway. I understand that FeLV is primarily
>> transmitted through saliva, and that very casual
>> contact between cats is probably not enough to cause
>> infection. Are there other modes of transmission that
>> I should worry about? If he's walking around in the
>> tortoise room, should I be concerned that I'm bringing
>> the virus into other areas of my house on my shoes?
>> I'm being really, really fussy in order to prevent
>> cross-contamination, but perhaps I don't need to
>> nitpick quite so much.
>> Oh, Tonya, I live in Villa Rica, in Carroll county.
>> Where are you located?
>> Laura
>>
>>
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