I have seen the system you mention used by many composers at IRCAM in Paris.
With four staves they cover all the range of the piano and avoid having more
than 2 ledger lines.

Javier Ruiz.

> Dennis:
> 
>> Like most pianists in contemporary music, this one is familiar with the 8va
>> treble clef -- but he finds the Finale clef's '8' too small (and I agree).
>> A bolder clef alteration would be welcome, if anyone has access to one. I
>> might resort to designing a special 8va treble and 8va bass for my own use.
>> 
> 
> Back in the late '60s, before clefs with 8s attached became
> commonplace, I devised two clefs of very distinctive appearance, one
> reading 2 octaves above the treble and the other two octaves below
> the bass. I have used these in almost  every piece I have written
> since, and I've created a version of Petrucci that includes them.
> Anyone who wants a copy can have one (Mac only, I'm afraid). Just let
> me know.


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