There's the Chroma Institute at

http://www.islandnet.com/~chroma/

which uses  staves with 4 lines and with a maximum of 2 ledger lines between
them. (No accidentals, either).

Liudas


----- Original Message -----
From: Javier Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: finale list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] 8va, 8va, loco


> I have seen the system you mention used by many composers at IRCAM in
Paris.
> With four staves they cover all the range of the piano and avoid having
more
> than 2 ledger lines.
>
> Javier Ruiz.
>
> > Dennis:
> >
> >> Like most pianists in contemporary music, this one is familiar with the
8va
> >> treble clef -- but he finds the Finale clef's '8' too small (and I
agree).
> >> A bolder clef alteration would be welcome, if anyone has access to one.
I
> >> might resort to designing a special 8va treble and 8va bass for my own
use.
> >>
> >
> > Back in the late '60s, before clefs with 8s attached became
> > commonplace, I devised two clefs of very distinctive appearance, one
> > reading 2 octaves above the treble and the other two octaves below
> > the bass. I have used these in almost  every piece I have written
> > since, and I've created a version of Petrucci that includes them.
> > Anyone who wants a copy can have one (Mac only, I'm afraid). Just let
> > me know.
>
>
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