A slight digression, perhaps, but I take issue with the line in the blog which says "You can't start in 5/6 -- you have to be chugging merrily along in 4/4 or whatever, and then switch gears to go into 5/6 for a measure, and then go back to a "rational" time signature."
One example which goes against that is Ferneyhough's Etudes Transcendentales, which opens with a bar of 2/10 followed by one of 3/8. The quaver=68 tempo indication applies to the notated quaver of the first bar, with the 3/8 bar acquiring its slower pulse by the ratio 5:4. The (or at least his) use of these metres is about the relationship between them, not as a deviation away from any single norm. IMO the alternative use of tuplets, be they partial or complete, detracts from this. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darcy James Argue > Sent: 22 March 2008 22:48 > To: finale@shsu.edu > Subject: Re: [Finale] Partial tuplets in Finale > > > Hi all, > > I ended up blogging about this -- my post includes more extensive > instructions and visual examples. I also include audio of the > bassline > in question: two versions, with two different clicks: > > http://secretsociety.typepad.com/darcy_james_argues_secret/200 > 8/03/till-this-bitte.html > > Cheers, > > - Darcy > ----- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Brooklyn, NY > > > > On 22 Mar 2008, at 1:03 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: > > On 22 Mar 2008, at 9:10 AM, shirling & neueweise wrote: > >> > >>> For the curious: > >>> Finally, hide all the triplets and render the partial triplets > >>> graphically. > >> > >> in this example you would only need it on m2-3, then m1 notated > >> normally. > > > > Well, mm.2-4, actually, with m.1 and m.5 notated normally, but yeah > > -- only the measures with partial triplets need to be > bracketed with > > whole-measure triplets. > > > >> great solution, but i don't like the fact that you can't actually > >> use finale's tuplets at all in your explanation. so i would add > >> another tuplet 2:2 on last 2 in m2 (hide number, place > manually as > >> expression), > > > > Michael Gordon's notation is just a "3" below each note for partial > > tuplets (no brackets), but I didn't like that so I tried to figure > > out how to do incomplete tuplet brackets. I think this looks much > > better. So I ended up trying exactly what you describe above, and > > ran into the same problem you found with the tuplet numbers: > > > >> the space where the number should be shrinks when there is no > >> number, so best solution would be to use a shape expression with > >> white box behind the number; would have to piddle with it > to see if > >> best as note-attached or measure-attached... except that > GODDAMMIT > >> it doesn't actually work, the tuplet draws in front of the white > >> box grrrrrrrrrr. > > > > "grrrrrrrrrr" indeed -- and it's probably unreasonable to expect > > we'll get much love from MM on this. (That is, unless > Michael Gordon > > himself wants to call up MM... but I believe he uses Sibelius.) > > > >> well, a judiciously-place text expression 3 is still very readable > >> in the smaller space. > > > > Yeah -- I messed around with a few alternate solutions, but I found > > that this was probably the least bad one. > > > >> you could also use a note-attached custom smart shape that might > >> react at least partially correct in the event of changes, but you > >> couldn't bracket the full duration without worrying about > having to > >> reposition. measure-attached custon smart shape would > work better > >> for full duration, but it wouldn't move vertically at all if > >> anything is changed. > > > > Haven't tried either of those -- I should experiment more. Once I > > got the correct playback, I got distracted trying to learn to play > > this figure. It is not easy! The guy on the Icebreaker > recording of > > "Trance" is pretty good, but even he scuffles a bit, > especially when > > he's trying to keep it steady against all the other parts. > > > > Cheers, > > > > - DJA > > ----- > > EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > WEBSITE/BLOG: http://secretsociety.typepad.com > > EPK: http://www.sonicbids.com/secretsociety > > MYSPACE: http://myspace.com/darcyjamesargue > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
