At 3:55 PM +0100 10/27/08, Eric Fiedler wrote:
Hi Noel,
It sounds like you're thinking of something along the lines of Van Crevel's edition of Obrecht in 1959, where he dispensed with bar lines completely and just used little wedges above the staff to denote the tactus (take a look at his edition of Obrecht's Missa Sub tuum presitium in the Opera Omnia, for example). I thought this was a pretty neat idea _ for a while, but it didn't catch on and nobody uses it today.

I certainly do, but my editions are for in-house use and not for publication.

(Singers don't like it either. For a performance of the above mass, I once had to draw in bar lines by hand!)

Certainly, but as a teacher I'm interested in teaching my singers to read music accurately no matter how it's notated, and the only way to visually see the phrase shapes is to get rid of the doggone bar lines and ties! It puts the music in a straight-jacket.

I admit to having dabbled in Mensurstrich in my youth, as this was more or less the politically correct way to notate the polyphony of the Renaissance when I was a student, but this, too, seems to be slowly dying out, and I'm pleased to see that Cris Maas' New Obrecht Edition uses bar lines (staff only) and ties between bars. Which, as it turns out, was the way musicians of the (late) Renaissance wrote down their works when they had to put them into score (for organists or study,

But not for performance, which is my whole point! And those diagonal barlines in keyboard pieces are almost more trouble to read than they're worth! The question has to be whether you're willing to compromise the musical phrasing for the convenience of incompletely-trained singers, or willing to compromise the singers' comfort for the sake of the music. My singers have never failed to do just fine with no-bar-lines music.

John


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