But as far as I can tell, every instance of "Mellophone" will have the same tweaked settings, so the more tweaks you need the more instruments you have to consume.
My understanding is Ryan wants to have some sections of his piece based on key signature transpositions and some chromatic. I know I certainly have needed to do that. I don't see how this is possible (without consuming even more canned instruments with tweaking). Clearly that choice has absolutely nothing to do with the choice of instrument, regardless of instrument. It points up the absurdity of enforcing such a relationship. To add insult to injury, I discovered that if I import a file made in Fin08 that contains changes between Horn and E and F, Fin12 imports it with an "Unknown" instrument type for Horn in E that plays back correctly. But there is no way that I can see to select an Unknown instrument type from within the program: the very thing one would have needed to solve this problem! (Especially if it could then be renamed which apparently right now it can't.) On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Darcy James Argue <djar...@earthlink.net>wrote: > Robert and Ryan, > > The choice of instrument in the score manager only informs what playback > instrument is selected by default. You can modify the playback instrument > in the Score Manager, so you could easily choose "Mellophone" and then > tweak the playback and transposition settings to get whatever result you > want. > > Cheers, > > - DJA > ----- > WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org > > > > On 15 Feb 2012, at 9:24 PM, Ryan wrote: > > > Oh, and they only have one canned version of a Wagner Tuba? - in B alto. > > Try re-writing anything by Wagner using only one kind of Wagner Tuba... > > (They're missing F, and F basso, and Eb, and Bb basso...etc.) > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Robert Patterson < > > rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote: > > > >> The challenge is that there is no canned instrument "Horn in E". The > whole > >> Fin12 approach is based on the ill-conceived assumption that a change of > >> transposition means a change of instrument. > >> > >> If you don't care about playback, it's fairly simple. For the sections > of > >> Horn in E, use Utilities->Change Instrument to change the instrument to > >> anything other than Horn if F. Then in Score Manager you can edit the > >> transposition and name for the section that is covered by that > instrument. > >> If you want it to play back like a horn, I don't have an answer. > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Ryan <ry.squa...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> OK, Darcy & Robert, > >>> Maybe I've missed something in the help file, but how do I change > >>> transpositions within a piece? > >>> Example, I'm re-writing an orchestral horn part so I can read off of a > >>> clean copy without years and years of pencil marks and erasures. > >>> It's written for Horn in F for a while, then changes to Horn in E, then > >>> back again. I used to use staff styles for this, but now I can't. > >>> Thanks! > >>> Ryan > >>> > >>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Robert Patterson < > >>> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I heartily agree the previous way was flawed, and the more I tinker > >> with > >>>> the new way the more I find it okay and in some ways improved. One > >>> concern > >>>> I do have, though, is setting up and applying transpositions other > than > >>>> those one encounters in a wind band is quite tedious, especially > >> compared > >>>> with the old way, because they aren't available in the drop down lists > >>> for > >>>> "Change Instruments". > >>>> > >>>> The idea that transpositions are features of an instrument is > >>> questionable > >>>> to me. It makes sense for woodwinds, but not so much for brass, esp. > >>> horns > >>>> and trumpets. Transposition on the latter instruments was *never* an > >>>> instrument specification. A couple hundred year ago it specified a > >> crook. > >>>> These days, even for pieces written since the invention of valves, > >>>> transposition merely specifies what notes to play on the axe you have > >>>> chosen to be playing for that piece. > >>>> > >>>> While I am generally getting comfortable with the Score Manager way of > >>>> changing instruments, I am not particularly happy that transposition > is > >>>> tied to them. FWIW: In pre-Fin12 I usually applied transposition > >> changes > >>>> and instrument name changes as separate staff styles. > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Darcy James Argue < > >>> djar...@earthlink.net > >>>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi Robert, > >>>>> > >>>>> I agree the lack of visual feedback regarding transposition changes > >> is > >>> a > >>>>> serious problem and needs fixing. > >>>>> > >>>>> On the other hand, the old system of using staff styles for > >> instrument > >>>>> changes was severely broken. When clearing measures of entries (via > >> the > >>>>> clear key), the instrument staff style would also be cleared, and > >>>>> constantly needed to be reapplied. (It was frustratingly easy to > >>> forget, > >>>>> and to be left with untransposed passages mixed in with transposed > >>>> passages > >>>>> in the parts.) Transposition staff styles would sometimes be active > >> in > >>>> the > >>>>> score, but not the parts. And the "copyability" cuts both ways -- it > >>> was > >>>>> far too easy to accidentally copy a transposition from one staff to > >>>>> another, when you only wanted to copy the entries. > >>>>> > >>>>> Also, it is now MUCH easier to obtain correct playback on staves with > >>>>> instrument changes -- no more messing around with keyswitches or > >>>>> channel-changing expressions. > >>>>> > >>>>> Once MakeMusic adds visual feedback indicating instrument changes, > >> I'll > >>>> be > >>>>> quite happy with the Score Manager. It really is a dramatic > >> improvement > >>>>> over using Staff Styles for instrument changes. > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers, > >>>>> > >>>>> - DJA > >>>>> ----- > >>>>> WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 15 Feb 2012, at 9:29 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I am just a newbie to Fin12, but I am coming to really hate the > >> Score > >>>>>> Manager. I suppose if I had never learned the old way it wouldn't > >>> seem > >>>> so > >>>>>> bad, but I'm an old dog, and this seems like a new trick of little > >>>> value. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Up until now I had refrained from whining about the Score Manager > >>>>> because I > >>>>>> hadn't really worked with it for real and because I couldn't see > >> that > >>>> it > >>>>>> was really worse, rather just (arbitrarily) different. But this > >> issue > >>>> of > >>>>>> change of transposition seems like a regression to me. Under the > >> new > >>>>> scheme > >>>>>> I can no longer look at the page and see where the transposition > >>>> changes > >>>>>> are. (Before, you could turn on staff style display and see at a > >>>> glance.) > >>>>>> Also, it means you can no longer copy a transposition from one area > >>> to > >>>>>> another the way you could copy staff styles. (At least with my Mass > >>>> Copy > >>>>>> plugin, although I think it was possible in Finale itself too.) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Someone explain to me why I am a whiner. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> R > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Christopher Smith < > >>>>>> christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> That's okay, I had missed it entirely myself and had to get this > >>>>> technique > >>>>>>> from Tech Support. So I pass it on! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Christopher > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Wed Feb 15, at WednesdayFeb 15 8:16 AM, Bernard Nussbaumer > >> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Great, thanks Christopher, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I did look in the Help Files, but not in the best place... I > >> should > >>>>> have > >>>>>>>> read more carefully the "Score Manager" chapter; as English isn't > >>> my > >>>>>>>> primary language, I understand almost everything I read in the > >> Help > >>>>>>> Files, > >>>>>>>> but sometimes I miss something important (while trying to > >>> understand > >>>>>>>> quickly) ... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Bernard > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 2012/2/15 Christopher Smith <christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> You go to the part, open the Score Manager. Only the part you > >> are > >>> in > >>>>>>> will > >>>>>>>>> show. Click Unlink All Instruments in This Staff and you can > >>> change > >>>>>>>>> instruments without it showing in the score. You can do this to > >>>> create > >>>>>>>>> alternate parts, too, like bass clef trombone and Bb treble clef > >>>>>>> trombone > >>>>>>>>> using the same score staff, without having to add and hide > >>>> additional > >>>>>>> score > >>>>>>>>> staves. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Christopher > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Tue Feb 14, at TuesdayFeb 14 6:21 PM, Bernard Nussbaumer > >> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> (Finale 2012 - Windows) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> In the "Staff Styles" Window, the transposition and the clef > >>>> settings > >>>>>>>>> have > >>>>>>>>>> disappeared (since these settings are to be found in the Score > >>>>>>> Manager). > >>>>>>>>>> I need to set a part as a transposed instrument, but I don't > >> want > >>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> transposition to apply in the Score. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Any ideas? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>>>> Bernard > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> Finale mailing list > >>>>>>>>>> Finale@shsu.edu > >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> Finale mailing list > >>>>>>>>> Finale@shsu.edu > >>>>>>>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> Finale mailing list > >>>>>>>> Finale@shsu.edu > >>>>>>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> Finale mailing list > >>>>>>> Finale@shsu.edu > >>>>>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Finale mailing list > >>>>>> Finale@shsu.edu > >>>>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Finale mailing list > >>>>> Finale@shsu.edu > >>>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Finale mailing list > >>>> Finale@shsu.edu > >>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Finale mailing list > >>> Finale@shsu.edu > >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Finale mailing list > >> Finale@shsu.edu > >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
