I heartily agree the previous way was flawed, and the more I tinker with the new way the more I find it okay and in some ways improved. One concern I do have, though, is setting up and applying transpositions other than those one encounters in a wind band is quite tedious, especially compared with the old way, because they aren't available in the drop down lists for "Change Instruments".
The idea that transpositions are features of an instrument is questionable to me. It makes sense for woodwinds, but not so much for brass, esp. horns and trumpets. Transposition on the latter instruments was *never* an instrument specification. A couple hundred year ago it specified a crook. These days, even for pieces written since the invention of valves, transposition merely specifies what notes to play on the axe you have chosen to be playing for that piece. While I am generally getting comfortable with the Score Manager way of changing instruments, I am not particularly happy that transposition is tied to them. FWIW: In pre-Fin12 I usually applied transposition changes and instrument name changes as separate staff styles. On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Darcy James Argue <djar...@earthlink.net>wrote: > Hi Robert, > > I agree the lack of visual feedback regarding transposition changes is a > serious problem and needs fixing. > > On the other hand, the old system of using staff styles for instrument > changes was severely broken. When clearing measures of entries (via the > clear key), the instrument staff style would also be cleared, and > constantly needed to be reapplied. (It was frustratingly easy to forget, > and to be left with untransposed passages mixed in with transposed passages > in the parts.) Transposition staff styles would sometimes be active in the > score, but not the parts. And the "copyability" cuts both ways -- it was > far too easy to accidentally copy a transposition from one staff to > another, when you only wanted to copy the entries. > > Also, it is now MUCH easier to obtain correct playback on staves with > instrument changes -- no more messing around with keyswitches or > channel-changing expressions. > > Once MakeMusic adds visual feedback indicating instrument changes, I'll be > quite happy with the Score Manager. It really is a dramatic improvement > over using Staff Styles for instrument changes. > > Cheers, > > - DJA > ----- > WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org > > > > On 15 Feb 2012, at 9:29 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: > > > I am just a newbie to Fin12, but I am coming to really hate the Score > > Manager. I suppose if I had never learned the old way it wouldn't seem so > > bad, but I'm an old dog, and this seems like a new trick of little value. > > > > Up until now I had refrained from whining about the Score Manager > because I > > hadn't really worked with it for real and because I couldn't see that it > > was really worse, rather just (arbitrarily) different. But this issue of > > change of transposition seems like a regression to me. Under the new > scheme > > I can no longer look at the page and see where the transposition changes > > are. (Before, you could turn on staff style display and see at a glance.) > > Also, it means you can no longer copy a transposition from one area to > > another the way you could copy staff styles. (At least with my Mass Copy > > plugin, although I think it was possible in Finale itself too.) > > > > Someone explain to me why I am a whiner. > > > > R > > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Christopher Smith < > > christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote: > > > >> That's okay, I had missed it entirely myself and had to get this > technique > >> from Tech Support. So I pass it on! > >> > >> Christopher > >> > >> > >> On Wed Feb 15, at WednesdayFeb 15 8:16 AM, Bernard Nussbaumer wrote: > >> > >>> Great, thanks Christopher, > >>> > >>> I did look in the Help Files, but not in the best place... I should > have > >>> read more carefully the "Score Manager" chapter; as English isn't my > >>> primary language, I understand almost everything I read in the Help > >> Files, > >>> but sometimes I miss something important (while trying to understand > >>> quickly) ... > >>> > >>> Bernard > >>> > >>> > >>> 2012/2/15 Christopher Smith <christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> > >>> > >>>> You go to the part, open the Score Manager. Only the part you are in > >> will > >>>> show. Click Unlink All Instruments in This Staff and you can change > >>>> instruments without it showing in the score. You can do this to create > >>>> alternate parts, too, like bass clef trombone and Bb treble clef > >> trombone > >>>> using the same score staff, without having to add and hide additional > >> score > >>>> staves. > >>>> > >>>> Christopher > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue Feb 14, at TuesdayFeb 14 6:21 PM, Bernard Nussbaumer wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi all, > >>>>> > >>>>> (Finale 2012 - Windows) > >>>>> > >>>>> In the "Staff Styles" Window, the transposition and the clef settings > >>>> have > >>>>> disappeared (since these settings are to be found in the Score > >> Manager). > >>>>> I need to set a part as a transposed instrument, but I don't want the > >>>>> transposition to apply in the Score. > >>>>> > >>>>> Any ideas? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> Bernard > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Finale mailing list > >>>>> Finale@shsu.edu > >>>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Finale mailing list > >>>> Finale@shsu.edu > >>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Finale mailing list > >>> Finale@shsu.edu > >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Finale mailing list > >> Finale@shsu.edu > >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
