OK, Darcy & Robert, Maybe I've missed something in the help file, but how do I change transpositions within a piece? Example, I'm re-writing an orchestral horn part so I can read off of a clean copy without years and years of pencil marks and erasures. It's written for Horn in F for a while, then changes to Horn in E, then back again. I used to use staff styles for this, but now I can't. Thanks! Ryan
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Robert Patterson < [email protected]> wrote: > I heartily agree the previous way was flawed, and the more I tinker with > the new way the more I find it okay and in some ways improved. One concern > I do have, though, is setting up and applying transpositions other than > those one encounters in a wind band is quite tedious, especially compared > with the old way, because they aren't available in the drop down lists for > "Change Instruments". > > The idea that transpositions are features of an instrument is questionable > to me. It makes sense for woodwinds, but not so much for brass, esp. horns > and trumpets. Transposition on the latter instruments was *never* an > instrument specification. A couple hundred year ago it specified a crook. > These days, even for pieces written since the invention of valves, > transposition merely specifies what notes to play on the axe you have > chosen to be playing for that piece. > > While I am generally getting comfortable with the Score Manager way of > changing instruments, I am not particularly happy that transposition is > tied to them. FWIW: In pre-Fin12 I usually applied transposition changes > and instrument name changes as separate staff styles. > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Darcy James Argue <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > Hi Robert, > > > > I agree the lack of visual feedback regarding transposition changes is a > > serious problem and needs fixing. > > > > On the other hand, the old system of using staff styles for instrument > > changes was severely broken. When clearing measures of entries (via the > > clear key), the instrument staff style would also be cleared, and > > constantly needed to be reapplied. (It was frustratingly easy to forget, > > and to be left with untransposed passages mixed in with transposed > passages > > in the parts.) Transposition staff styles would sometimes be active in > the > > score, but not the parts. And the "copyability" cuts both ways -- it was > > far too easy to accidentally copy a transposition from one staff to > > another, when you only wanted to copy the entries. > > > > Also, it is now MUCH easier to obtain correct playback on staves with > > instrument changes -- no more messing around with keyswitches or > > channel-changing expressions. > > > > Once MakeMusic adds visual feedback indicating instrument changes, I'll > be > > quite happy with the Score Manager. It really is a dramatic improvement > > over using Staff Styles for instrument changes. > > > > Cheers, > > > > - DJA > > ----- > > WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org > > > > > > > > On 15 Feb 2012, at 9:29 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: > > > > > I am just a newbie to Fin12, but I am coming to really hate the Score > > > Manager. I suppose if I had never learned the old way it wouldn't seem > so > > > bad, but I'm an old dog, and this seems like a new trick of little > value. > > > > > > Up until now I had refrained from whining about the Score Manager > > because I > > > hadn't really worked with it for real and because I couldn't see that > it > > > was really worse, rather just (arbitrarily) different. But this issue > of > > > change of transposition seems like a regression to me. Under the new > > scheme > > > I can no longer look at the page and see where the transposition > changes > > > are. (Before, you could turn on staff style display and see at a > glance.) > > > Also, it means you can no longer copy a transposition from one area to > > > another the way you could copy staff styles. (At least with my Mass > Copy > > > plugin, although I think it was possible in Finale itself too.) > > > > > > Someone explain to me why I am a whiner. > > > > > > R > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Christopher Smith < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> That's okay, I had missed it entirely myself and had to get this > > technique > > >> from Tech Support. So I pass it on! > > >> > > >> Christopher > > >> > > >> > > >> On Wed Feb 15, at WednesdayFeb 15 8:16 AM, Bernard Nussbaumer wrote: > > >> > > >>> Great, thanks Christopher, > > >>> > > >>> I did look in the Help Files, but not in the best place... I should > > have > > >>> read more carefully the "Score Manager" chapter; as English isn't my > > >>> primary language, I understand almost everything I read in the Help > > >> Files, > > >>> but sometimes I miss something important (while trying to understand > > >>> quickly) ... > > >>> > > >>> Bernard > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> 2012/2/15 Christopher Smith <[email protected]> > > >>> > > >>>> You go to the part, open the Score Manager. Only the part you are in > > >> will > > >>>> show. Click Unlink All Instruments in This Staff and you can change > > >>>> instruments without it showing in the score. You can do this to > create > > >>>> alternate parts, too, like bass clef trombone and Bb treble clef > > >> trombone > > >>>> using the same score staff, without having to add and hide > additional > > >> score > > >>>> staves. > > >>>> > > >>>> Christopher > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Tue Feb 14, at TuesdayFeb 14 6:21 PM, Bernard Nussbaumer wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Hi all, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> (Finale 2012 - Windows) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> In the "Staff Styles" Window, the transposition and the clef > settings > > >>>> have > > >>>>> disappeared (since these settings are to be found in the Score > > >> Manager). > > >>>>> I need to set a part as a transposed instrument, but I don't want > the > > >>>>> transposition to apply in the Score. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Any ideas? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>> Bernard > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>> Finale mailing list > > >>>>> [email protected] > > >>>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> Finale mailing list > > >>>> [email protected] > > >>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > >>>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Finale mailing list > > >>> [email protected] > > >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Finale mailing list > > >> [email protected] > > >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Finale mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Finale mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list [email protected] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
