On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Bryan Andersen wrote:

> Derek Martin wrote:
> 
> > I once thought that you shouldn't need to care but everyone's trying to
> > make ISPs responsible for the actions of their users, which I personally
> > hate.  The only person who should be held responsible for a person's
> > actions is the person acting.  But in our modern society that isn't
> > enough, we need to have lots of people to blame.
> 
> And extract money from...
> 
> They try to attach blame onto the ISP so when time comes to sue 
> for dammages, they have more and likely deeper pockets to extract 
> money from.
> 

In my experience, dealing with the ISP is the only effective way to get
results. ISP's do not want to be blocked, nor sued, and are usually more
than willing to work with the entity contacting them.

Specific hosts on the other hand, I have found to be trouble. Some have
the viewpoint that since they were not personally the ones conducting the
scans that they are not at fault. Or, since they are not experiencing any
troubles, like latency, connectivity issues, and have no sensitive
material on the machine, it is usually a project convincing them to do
something about it, and that's assuming they know how to do something
about it.

It's not always monetary motivation. You should start at the machine, but
then work your way up, to the ISP if you don't get a satisfactory
response.

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