Do you guys really wanna know how corrupt the character behind FSP is?
The "team" behind the version of Celestia that he sells, is headed by
an individual named "John Bayer". Anyone with a good knowledge of astronomy
will
know that Johann Bayer (b. 1572) was a German lawyer and uranographer, famous
for being the first person to create an atlas covering the entire celestial
sphere and for the 'Bayer Designation', a method of designating stars.
Whoever is behind all this wants to hide their true identity. If those false
names are being used to register the business for tax purposes, then that may
break Inland Revenue tax laws, under which a false name cannot be used.
This guy is laughing in the face of the free software world, sponging off the
hard work of others. I think its time to wipe the grin from his face. I intend
to ask the Inland Revenue Department of NZ, and Fair Go, to investigate this
clown.
Regards,
Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE.
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From: Chris Wilkinson <blobster...@yahoo.com.au>
To: FlightGear developers discussions <flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Fri, 12 November, 2010 9:58:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
BTW, it might interest you to know that "Charlie Taylor", the name of the guy
behind Flight Sim Pro, is an alias. For those who know their aviation history
Charles E Taylor was the "3rd Wright Brother". He was the mechanic who kept the
Wright Flyer in sound condition, Without him the flyer may not have ever left
terra firma...
Regards,
Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE.
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From: Chris Wilkinson <blobster...@yahoo.com.au>
To: Mally <ma...@tklm.freeserve.co.uk>; FlightGear developers discussions
<flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Fri, 12 November, 2010 9:45:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
Confrontation? Don't be silly! This guy is a businessman, a shrewd capitalist
at
worst - these kind of guys don't make their money being brutal in peoples
faces,
they sneak around quietly like mice, (almost) unknowingly profiting off the
hard
work of others. Risk in meeting an unknown person? So what am I to this fellow?
It goes both ways...
My goal will be open dialog as to why this guy seems unwilling to honor the
exacting word of the GPL, and why he isn't giving back to the community.
Probably done over coffee. I'll probably smile. And my solemn promise is that I
wont hurt him (much)... :-)
Frankly this guy is a big part of the reason I have yet to commit my scenery
and
aircraft to the community. I do NOT want someone making money from my efforts
without either my consent or without some form of input to the community as a
condition of being allowed to profit from all your work.
Failing a positive outcome there I support a re-licensing of the software, to
prevent this kind of thing. Simple as that.
Regards,
Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE.
________________________________
From: Mally <ma...@tklm.freeserve.co.uk>
To: FlightGear developers discussions <flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Fri, 12 November, 2010 8:38:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
?Hi Chris
I have reservations about this. It could easily backfire on you personally
or turn out to be a traumatic event, particularly if it turns out to be more
of a confrontation than a reasonable discussion. What are the odds of the
latter do you think?
I think the same could be achieved (at least partially) by sending the guy
individual messages or an agreed collective letter on behalf of all of the
FG community, but having said that, I do actually agree that face-to-face
can ultimately be the most effective option - but at the same time, with
somone who is completely unknown, it is a risk.
It's possible of course that the gentleman in question is reading the forum,
in which case I would just ask that he take some time to reflect seriously
about the ethics of what he is doing, and attempt to find within his better
nature the capacity to change the way he is going about this.
>From my viewpoint, it is not about "giving a bit back". The main issues for
me are that potential purchasers should be able to make a fully informed
choice, that they should know completely what they are buying, and that he
should comply fully with the GPL, i.e. by charging a fee ONLY for the
physical act of transferring a copy of FG and optionally for a warranty if
he wants to provide the same. If he did this and made it clear that this was
what he was doing in his main web page/advertising, i.e. clearly informing
potential purchasers that they were paying for these services rather than
buying a product, then I would be very happy to see him succeed in his
venture, and I'm sure he would be providing a valuable service.
Mally
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Wilkinson" <blobster...@yahoo.com.au>
To: "FlightGear developers discussions"
<flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
This looks to be more of a moral issue than a legal one.
I'll tell you what I'll do about this. I was born and raised in
Christchurch,
where this guy operates from, and I will be visiting the city in a months
time.
Perhaps I should pay the guy a visit?
I wanna know where this guy gets off taking all YOUR hard work, and
PROFITING
from it, with NOTHING returned to the flightgear community. The legality of
his
actions could be debated in a court of law forever, but perhaps a bit of
face
time to directly express the sentiments of the flightgear community with the
dude might convince him that there are REAL people who consider his actions
immoral - you guys are more than just names attached to code commits on the
internet, and I think this guy needs to be reminded that without your
efforts his little endeavour would amount to NOTHING.
I'm sure with some 'friendly persuasion' I can convince the guy to give a
bit
back. After all if he can help the efforts to improve flightgear, that will
have
a flow-on effect for him. He scratch our back, we scratch his...
Regards,
Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE.
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