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Seth Arnold said:

> On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 01:00:08PM -0500, Jimi Thompson wrote:
> > Third, before placing the machine in the DMZ, we always uninstall all
> > the text editors (VI, EMACS, etc.).  This way even if the box is
[SNIP]
> Heh, I'm sure practically every unix-ish admin can give you dozens of
> ways to edit files without vi or emacs... In other words, while this
> will provide a serious annoyance for you, hackers are liable to be able
> to edit files all the same.

Yeah, that's definitely true.  Plus, if the Linux box in question uses
any of the major distributions with a package manager, it's trivial to
install the editors in a matter of moments.  For example, on debian:

  # apt-get install vim

Will get you a vi clone in very short order, and the similar command
for Red Hat systems would be (for example):

  # rpm -ivh 
ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/7.2/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/vim-minimal-5.8-7.i386.rpm
  # rpm -ivh 
ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/7.2/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/vim-common-5.8-7.i386.rpm
 

If you're on a T1 or better, this will usually take about 30 seconds.

People need to realize that if your system is compromised, an attacker
can install whatever they want on your system, pretty trivially.
Removing software is really pointless.


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Derek Martin
Senior System Administrator
Mission Critical Linux
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