If it's 100W PEP then 40WRMS is about right with the tools-options-clipping on (4dB PAPR).

On 20/12/20 3:19 pm, Mooneer Salem wrote:
On my Hermes Lite 2 + Hardrock-50, the latter was claiming 40 watts on 700E without touching any settings in the app. Will need to play more to see how far it can be taken.

-Mooneer K6AQ

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 7:22 PM David Rowe <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Thanks Walter and Mooneer.  I'd be interested to know the RMS
    power you can develop with 700D/E with the clipper option.

    - David

    On 20/12/20 10:30 am, Mooneer Salem wrote:
    Looks like it's working reasonably well, though the 20 meter band
    fell out shortly after we all got it installed. More testing
    tomorrow for sure. :)

    -Mooneer K6AQ

    On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 2:26 PM <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        Have it loaded and running now.

        Working on a couple others as I type to get some end to end
        testing.

        Many thanks David, and best of the holidays.


        Walter/K5WH

        -----Original Message-----
        From: David Rowe <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
        Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 3:34 PM
        To: [email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        Subject: [Freetel-codec2] FreeDV 1.5 - 700E and OFDM compression

        I've been working on a new FreeDV 700E mode, and some
        compression for FreeDV 700D and 700E to increase the average
        power.  A Christmas present for you to play with

        700E is designed to handle fast fading like 700C, but like
        700D has powerful FEC. My bench tests indicate 700C & E are
        equivalent on moderate fading channels (2Hz dopdler/2ms
        spread), but on very fast fading (4Hz/4ms) 700E does better -
        700C & D fall over. 700D works better at lower SNRs on slow
        fading channels.

        I've also been testing against compressed SSB, which as
        Helmut suggests is pretty hard to beat, as it's so robust to
        fading. However 700E is hanging on quite well with fast
        fading, and becomes noise free as the SNR increases.

        -/-

        The second innovation is compression of the 700C/D/E
        waveforms, to increase average power significantly.

        Please be careful adjusting the Tx drive and especially
        enabling the Tool - Options - Clipping. It can drive your PA
        quite hard.  I have managed 40W RMS out of my 75W PEP
        transmitter.  Make sure your transmitter can handle long
        periods of high average power. My IC7200 and
        FT-817 seem OK.

        At the same equivalent peak power - 700D is doing well when
        compressed SSB is -5dB SNR and rather hard on the ears.

        -/-

        Peter VK3RV, Jose LU5DKI, and Barry VK3BRT tried 1.5.0 last
        night and report it works on real HF channels.
        The latest manual describes the new features:

        
https://github.com/drowe67/freedv-gui/blob/118cb66ee4679518185db871ec0ae68071c406a4/USER_MANUAL.md



        You can download Windows 32 and 64 bit versions of FreeDV 1.5
        here:

        http://rowetel.com/downloads/freedv

        -/-

        I'd be interested in any feedback.  If you have an
        interesting test case (e.g. a bug or comparing SSB to
        FreeDV), pls send me off air recordings of signals (FreeDV
        Tools-Record File from Radio). That helps me make objective
        comparisons.  Recordings are much more useful to me than
        anecdotes or subjective reports.

        Thanks,
        David


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