How to make people feel they are part of a Group…

 

If they collectively decide to cover up a crime through willful blindness then 
they establish some certainty that they belong.

Groups seem to demand that individuals Believe the unBelievable. It seems that 
some human beings have the capacity to smooth out ethical contradictions by 
simply choosing to live in another reality. When many people choose to live in 
the same delusion they are effectively a Group.

 

There seems to be a belief that Groups can exonerate the individual through 
Magic and Amnesia. The recent news of sexual crimes in Penn State reinforce 
this perspective.

The Group seems able to deny it’s crimes while selecting a scapegoat to carry 
their burdens. Groups seem much stronger when Criminality is involved even 
though each individual denies it’s existence. The Group might be nothing more 
than a psychological construct to absorb Guilt and at a high price.

Groups seem to choose Noble leaders to establish a pretense of heroicism and 
much later dispose of the leader along with the memory of their individual 
crimes 

 

This seems characteristic of much current political drama. Reluctant scapegoats 
fight tooth and nail to avoid the demand to be sacrificed for the good people.

 

The Group has a fantastic attribute of Goodness which disguises the Dark side 
of perversity.  People mostly use this contradiction to satisfy their own 
problems.

I would have thought that as our population increases that corruption would 
prevail, however there do seem to be indications that many are bucking the 
trend.

Groups seem very well devised to exclude individuals that have questionable 
ethics. These Groups have inadvertantly created their own nemesis.

 

The history of confronting corruption is dismal overall. Managers seem 
particularly prone to Group Think and demonstrate that they are absolutely 
convinced that they can ignore all legal responsibility for individual acts. 
Society still is unprepared to prosecute Group Think in all its devilish 
rationalizations.

 

The lack of meaningful leadership globally is perhaps due to so many living I a 
delusional state of mind where someone else will always end up being 
scapegoated.

 

At least Pontius Pilot tried to wash his own hands.

 

Vladimyr Ivan Burachynsky PhD

 

 

vbur...@shaw.ca

 

 

 

120-1053 Beaverhill Blvd.

Winnipeg,Manitoba, R2J3R2

Canada 

 (204) 2548321 Land

(204) 8016064  Cell

 

 

From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of 
ERIC P. CHARLES
Sent: October-27-11 9:32 PM
To: Gillian Densmore
Cc: Anne Rowland; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] 99%, occupyWallStreet, Santa Fe, etc.

 

Gillian,
Hmmmm.... trying to put my evolutionary psychology hat on, and feeling like I 
am not doing it quite as well as I should....

Humans ARE "programed" to do things for the good of their groups. The question 
then is: How do we get people to feel as if they are part of a group? and How 
do we get people to expand the size of the group they feel they are part of? 
One subsection of those questions, a small, but not insignificant part, is 
wondering: How do we get advantaged people to include the disadvantaged as part 
of 'their' group?

Ultimately, if we had the right knowledge, this would be a perfect problem to 
tackle with agent based modeling. If we knew what types of experiences people 
needed to feel as if they were part of a group, and we knew what types of 
experiences were needed to expand felt-group size, then we start designing 
various worlds along various principles to see which produce the best outcome. 
The complexity will be too high to solve the problem any other way. 

Alas... what are the factors?

Eric

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 05:17 PM, Gillian Densmore <gil.densm...@gmail.com> wrote:



 
Interesting discution going on here. Feeling like one of the 99% on some levels.
Rich Muray's proposed list on some levels makes sense.
Higher min wage for example how are you suposed to actually live on
$9.00 an hour?
even full time that's only 360 a week (before tax). Ouch.
Another one that stuck out was free health care- could work. Depending
on how it's implimented.
The general idea of more stuff taken for baseline for more (or all )
citizens and increasing the quality of life would seem to provide some
net benifits.
I think Nick asked how it gets funded wich might realy be asking: as
humans are we willing to pool together a pot of money to increase the
quality of life for all?
Just as a here in the comunity example:
I'm going to school to (theoreticly) increase my odds of being a
productive citizen by X%. Should one of the applications and varius
forms of asistance pan out I have a net X% extra chance of employment
at the end of the week I'd rather my hard earned money going to a pot
of money that helps raise quality of life for my self and others by
X%. Theoreticly humans are programed to work together twards a better
good. At some point of year N things get jaded or complicated and as
Agents we loose sight that a healthy comunity of N people(or agents)
makes for a stronger whole.
Wouldn't it therefore be better to invest y sources of rescources
twards things that achieve that goal?
just my as a 0.2c as a agent among many.
.
 
 
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Rich Murray <rmfor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Since my remarks were perhaps tersely shocking, here is a clear
> overview by James Traverse:
> 
> http://www.beingyoga.com/
> 
> [ For more, search Google "nonduality"... ]
> 
> Know Thyself
> 
> Be a Light unto Yourself
> 
> "Form is Seeing and Seeing is Being." ~ Atmananda Krishna Menon
> 
> "Being is Seeing and Seeing is Doing" ~ James Traverse
> 
> "Liberation is from the person, not for the person" ~ Jean Klein
> 
> Mistaken identity, the wrong turning of the mind, is the cause of all
> conflict and discord. The solution is the living understanding of your
> true nature which is not thought based knowledge as it is prior to
> thinking. Awareness is the means and the end.
> 
> There is nothing to become since Being Awareness is already happening
> yet there is a returning to innocence knowingly as the false mentally
> generated knowledge of mistaken identity is seen and allowed to fall
> away. This Living Awareness as your true nature is the light of
> understanding that dispels the darkness of ignorance that is the root
> of mistaken identity and separation.
> 
> “You cannot solve a problem from the same consciousness that created it.
> You must learn to see the world anew.” ~ Albert Einstein
> 
> The problem of mistaken identity is a problem of self-knowledge as
> false knowledge of your true nature. It is a mentally generated
> problem that is resolved by Awareness as the primal intelligence that
> sees the false as false and no longer supports it. In this way the
> impostor of mistaken identity dies through starvation - what remains
> is pure Awareness wherein all of your faculties are free to function
> without distortion.
> 
> Enlightenment is a matter of discernment, not evolution. Thus there is
> no becoming enlightened; instead the veil of ignorance falls away
> through discrimination and there is seeing in-the-light of your true
> nature.
> 
> Enlightened Being - Being is happening - Breathing is happening
> the Agent is the Actor - Love is what it does!
> 
> "What nature makes you do instinctively you can optimise when you
> understand the law governing the process." ~ James Traverse
> 
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