Dear Nick There's no illusion of separateness. "You" ARE separate from "me". The Gita only asks you to give up "I"ness to progress further.
I'll clarify this with a Western text: "WE are the Borg. WE will assimilate YOU. (Resistance is futile)". Sarbajit On 10/3/12, Nicholas Thompson <nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Sarbajit, > > I stand corrected. I had always thought that the issue was the illusion of > separateness. So what is sauce for the goose (i.e., "me") would be sauce > for the gander [i.e., "you"). If I am not separate from you, surely you > are > not separate from me. > > But I had best stay out of this one, because I haven't the energy right now > to read the eastern texts, and asking you to explain things to me when you > have already made clarifying texts available is unfair. > > Anyway, thanks for the correction. > > Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On > Behalf > Of Sarbajit Roy > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:12 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] attachment > > Oh dear me, > > Perhaps the simple online version of the Gita I chose was too advanced. I > thought it was clear from 2.71 that it refers to "ONE who ..becomes .... > free from I or my ... " > > "You"ness on the other hand is perfectly OK. > > Lets see an online Kiddies version of the Mahabharatha (the long epic of > which the Gita is a tiny part) > > http://www.indolink.com/Kidz/Stories/mahabharat11.html > > The entire Gita is reduced to this para > > "Krishna said, "Arjuna, may it be known to you that man's duty lies in > performing the duty while the results should be left to God. To oppress > others is a sin but to tolerate oppression is a far bigger sin. All those, > whom you claim to be your relatives are none but individual souls, > unrelated > to you, on way to their ultimate destination of uniting with the supreme > Lord, the Brahman. Pick up your weapon and fight that is what is ordained > to > you. Do not think of the consequences." > > Note the delicious "you"ness which permeates the Gita > > Sarbajit > > On 10/2/12, Nicholas Thompson <nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote: >> But surely, Sarbarjit, your post is contaminated with the illusion of >> YOU-ness. As long as you are detached from him, you cannot propound >> anything ...... etc., right? You will never attain peace as long as >> you see Russ as a YOU. >> >> Right? >> >> N >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On >> Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy >> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 12:13 AM >> To: russ.abb...@gmail.com; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity >> Coffee Group >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] attachment >> >> Your post is contaminated/deluded by the repeated use of "I". As long >> as "you" are "attached" to your "I"-ness you cannot propound anything >> valid beyond the delusion of your "self". >> >> http://www.ourpathtogod.com/bhagavadgita/chapter2.html >> >> "One who abandons all desires, and becomes free from longing and the >> feeling of 'I' and 'my', attains peace. (2.71) O Arjuna, this is the >> super-conscious state of mind. Attaining this state, one is no longer >> deluded. Gaining this state, even at the end of one's life, a person >> becomes one with the Absolute. (2.72)." >> >> Sarbajit >> >> On 10/2/12, Russ Abbott <russ.abb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I liked my post on attachment. (Perhaps I'm attached to it.) Did it >>> get lost? I don't see it in any of the follow-up posts. Here it is >>> again. >>> >>> Think of attachment as: I must ensure that X comes to pass. I want it >>> so badly. >>> Think of detachment as: I must not want so badly that X comes to pass. >>> I must stay detached. >>> Think of non-attachment as: I may participate in the process whereby >>> X comes to pass -- or doesn't come to pass. If I participate I may be >>> fully engaged. I may care very much whether X comes to pass. It it >>> does, I may feel very happy. If it doesn't I may feel very sad. But >>> whether or not X comes to pass I still have my laundry to do. >>> >>> >>> *-- Russ Abbott* >>> *_____________________________________________* >>> *** Professor, Computer Science* >>> * California State University, Los Angeles* >>> >>> * My paper on how the Fed can fix the economy: >>> ssrn.com/abstract=1977688* >>> * Google voice: 747-*999-5105 >>> Google+: plus.google.com/114865618166480775623/ >>> * vita: *sites.google.com/site/russabbott/ >>> CS Wiki <http://cs.calstatela.edu/wiki/> and the courses I teach >>> *_____________________________________________* >>> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe >> at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at >> http://www.friam.org >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe >> at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at >> http://www.friam.org >> > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, > unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
