Intimacy is not necessarily about sex, but it is also not about just about knowing something about someone that isn't generally known, e.g., where the person went to elementary school or her mother's maiden name. It's more than just being able to answer the sorts of questions web sites ask as a way to establish one's identity. Intimacy has to do with the *kinds *of things that are known, in particular with knowing about the subjective experience of another person. At least that's how I would describe it -- and that's why I raised the question.
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 3:39 PM Nick Thompson <nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Dear John and Russ, > > > > Well, you question is an example of it self. Who is best qualified to > explain the basis of Nick's denial of subjectivity? Is this a question > about aetiology: I.e., the causal history of Nick's coming to deny > subjectivity? Or is it a question of what rational arguments Nick might > make for his denial of subjectivity. Note that there is nothing > particularly private about either of those forms of the question. FRIAM > could get to work on answering them and Nick could stand aside and wonder > at the quality and perspicacity of your answers. My own most recent and > condensed and approachable attempt to answer both versions of the question > can be found in the manuscript that is attached. I can’t find cc of the > published vsn at the moment. > > > > I will think about the intimacy issue. I think it’s about having some > others who know things about you that are not generally known. I would > argue that when you get into bed with somebody naked, it’s a metaphor. But > then, I am old. > > > > Nick > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of John Kennison > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 2:30 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy > > > > One thing I wonder about (or perhaps have forgotten) in this discussion > and Nick's denial is what the denial is based on. Is the absence of > subjectivity supposed to be a scientific fact? If so, we should be > discussing the experimental foundations of this fact. I have read of some > experiments which seem to indicate that subjectiviity is not exactly what > we (or what I) used to think it is --but which do not seem to disprove > subjectivity. > > > > --John > > ________________________________________ > > From: Friam [friam-boun...@redfish.com] on behalf of Russ Abbott [ > russ.abb...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 3:27 PM > > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > > Subject: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy > > > > We've had discussions on and off about subjectivity -- with me getting > frustrated at Nick's denial thereof (if I understood him correctly). > > > > It occurred to me recently that intimacy is defined -- as I understand it > -- in terms of subjectivity, i.e., the sharing of one's (most private) > subjective experiences with another. > > > > I'm wondering what Nick thinks about this and whether anyone else has > something to say about it. In particular, if there is no such thing as > subjective experience, does that imply in your view that the same goes for > intimacy? > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
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