I agree with one small caveat. Artifacts; tangible, written, stigmergic, ... are but a small part of what is "cooperatively constructed and kneaded." The vast majority of what an individual "knows" and the vast majority of what the 'collective' "knows" is tacit, 'in-the-mind' and transmitted orally and/or by non-formal means.
davew On Fri, Jul 26, 2024, at 12:18 PM, glen wrote: > Similarly, but a bit larger in scope, humans (and other animals) are > merely small parts of a larger system. The extent to which any one > person actually knows anything (much less is wise about anything) is > negligible, on the same order as that which a chimpanzee knows or is > wise about something. What's *valuable*, worth preserving, are the > cooperatively constructed and kneaded stigmergic cultural artifacts. > > But unlike Plato's straw man, suggesting the artifacts are somehow > fixed and repetitive, what's interesting about them is a) their > re-interpretation through successive generations and b) the derivations > spawned from them. Decay and derivation are more informative than > preservation. No single artifact (including flora and fauna, knowledge > or wisdom) matters. What matters is the milieu, co-mediated by > artifacts like math and painting. > > On 7/26/24 09:14, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> *< *Particularly galling to me is the deprecation and dismissal of any human >> knowledge, wisdom, experience ... that cannot be reduced to mere words and >> abstract symbols. The epitome of this is the conceit that AI—which is >> nothing more than the algorithmic manipulation of abstract meaningless >> tokens is somehow "equivalent" to human intelligence.> >> >> The conceit of humans, thinking their low energy, low frequency, lossy >> biochemical system can compete with tens of thousands of 80 >> billion-transistor GPUs each running a billion operations a second. > > > -- > ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
