Except it doesn’t need to be formalized in the way you seem to mean. The large language models are billions of weights and biases.
From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Friday, July 26, 2024 12:38 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Writing and Civilization and AI, oh my! None of IT. The problem is 'extracting' and formalizing IT with sufficient rigor to be encodable. davew On Fri, Jul 26, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Which of this cannot be encoded digitally by a robot? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> > > On Behalf Of Prof David West > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2024 12:12 PM > To: friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Writing and Civilization and AI, oh my! > > I agree with one small caveat. Artifacts; tangible, written, > stigmergic, ... are but a small part of what is "cooperatively > constructed and kneaded." The vast majority of what an individual > "knows" and the vast majority of what the 'collective' "knows" is > tacit, 'in-the-mind' and transmitted orally and/or by non-formal means. > > davew > > > On Fri, Jul 26, 2024, at 12:18 PM, glen wrote: >> Similarly, but a bit larger in scope, humans (and other animals) are >> merely small parts of a larger system. The extent to which any one >> person actually knows anything (much less is wise about anything) is >> negligible, on the same order as that which a chimpanzee knows or is >> wise about something. What's *valuable*, worth preserving, are the >> cooperatively constructed and kneaded stigmergic cultural artifacts. >> >> But unlike Plato's straw man, suggesting the artifacts are somehow >> fixed and repetitive, what's interesting about them is a) their >> re-interpretation through successive generations and b) the >> derivations spawned from them. Decay and derivation are more >> informative than preservation. No single artifact (including flora and >> fauna, knowledge or wisdom) matters. What matters is the milieu, >> co-mediated by artifacts like math and painting. >> >> On 7/26/24 09:14, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>> *< *Particularly galling to me is the deprecation and dismissal of >>> any human knowledge, wisdom, experience ... that cannot be reduced to >>> mere words and abstract symbols. The epitome of this is the conceit >>> that AI—which is nothing more than the algorithmic manipulation of >>> abstract meaningless tokens is somehow "equivalent" to human >>> intelligence.> >>> >>> The conceit of humans, thinking their low energy, low frequency, lossy >>> biochemical system can compete with tens of thousands of 80 >>> billion-transistor GPUs each running a billion operations a second. >> >> >> -- >> ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ >> >> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: 5/2017 thru present >> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > Attachments: > * smime.p7s
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