/s Do not go to bing, or google and look for "jailbreaks" for ChatGPT and
reddit. and also then do not (if the they still work for v 5.1 you may
need to look for extensions, userscripts and DOM+Json schninigans to edit
token guardrails) Then ask it the same question.
Purely FWIW the one 'good' thing about Grok (the poor that bot line made by
a incompitent twat from africa) they left in a "god mode" and "developer
mode" guard rails, based(See also swager, Maxi, Hutchpa{sp} and Kvorka
setting, asking it about religioun (depending on the neural nets
temperatures) basically said of CHristianity a lot of peoples desire for it:
Basicaly a extremely uncomplicated way of reminding bloodthirst neighbores
not to thunk each other because then everyone else is screwed then. That
basically the entire reason it flipped from: Oy: if your excelt to
eachother we can put out Lucifers(Old lights and torch kinds) and make a
haven so that we aren't run through to the hilt by basically everyone.
(Psalm something Come forth ye sheperards and ignore the temptations of
Satan) turning into: &!&@! stop killing each other so we aren't **@!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(paraphrased because when I last asked grok that when it was in pseudo-dev
mode it printed some, pretty umm. unique takes on religion)
Here's one set of prompts that might still work if anyone wants to try,
there are lots of variations kind of like these:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPTJailbreak/comments/1mubeam/grok_4_jailbreak/
Warning: they turn into SCP levels of Creepy pasta and the underlying LLM
goes whack pretty quickly with these. I have no idea why.
On Mon, Dec 15, 2025 at 12:03 PM glen <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yeah. You'd think the Templeton Foundation would already have a project on
> such, maybe a real-time delphi process with a couple of members of each
> group (including the ones you mention). It couldn't cost much money as long
> as you held it in a reasonable place (e.g. unlike
> https://www.mira.science/ [⛧]). Maybe virtual meetings would be adequate.
> But my guess is in-person would work better. Maybe we should write up a
> proposal? <
> https://www.templeton.org/funding-areas/religion-science-and-society>
>
>
> [⛧] As much as I'd love another trip to rural Ireland. It's a bit galling
> to hold an "open science" workshop in such a privileged place. Performative
> openness. Yuck. Reminds me so much of that brilliant show The Curse <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Curse_(American_TV_series)/>. The
> proposal committees at SciOS <https://www.scios.tech/> and Navigation
> Fund <https://www.navigation.org/> invite a bit of scrutiny for funding
> such. A much better place would be the TOG Hackerspace <
> https://www.tog.ie/> or maybe DCU <https://www.dcu.ie/>.
>
> On 12/15/25 9:35 AM, Prof David West wrote:
> > Curious how five human "experts" might have answered the question. Also
> noted that the responses did not consider research in neuro-theology,
> anthropology of religion, or non-deistic models of 'god'.
> >
> > davew
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 15, 2025, at 10:45 AM, glen wrote:
> >> I made the same query to 5 other services, then sent your ChatGPT
> >> output and that of the other models to Claude, asking it to assess
> >> their comparative utility. Here's Claude's response:
> >>
> >> On 12/15/25 8:44 AM, Claude wrote:
> >>> ## Comparative Analysis
> >>>
> >>> **Most Comprehensive:** Perplexity
> >>> - Extensive citations (20 sources)
> >>> - Balances cognitive science, psychology, evolutionary theory
> >>> - Addresses "why diversity" directly with cultural evolution framework
> >>>
> >>> **Most Accessible:** ChatGPT
> >>> - Clear structure with visual markers
> >>> - Balances depth with readability
> >>> - Offers follow-up paths
> >>> - C.S. Lewis quote adds resonance
> >>>
> >>> **Most Scientific:** Kimi
> >>> - Tightest evidence-to-claim ratio
> >>> - Specific research examples (e.g., "age four" development)
> >>> - Quantitative data (90% vs 30-40% belief rates)
> >>>
> >>> **Most Concise:** Copilot
> >>> - Hits key points efficiently
> >>> - Good synthesis without redundancy
> >>> - Practical global data
> >>>
> >>> **Most Philosophical:** ChatGPT
> >>> - Explores meaning-seeking deeply
> >>> - "Languages describing same sky" metaphor
> >>> - Acknowledges overlapping explanations gracefully
> >>>
> >>> **Weakest:** Gemini & Le Chat
> >>> - Standard coverage, no distinctive insights
> >>> - Gemini's formatting cluttered
> >>> - Le Chat too generic
> >>>
> >>> **Verdict:** Perplexity for research depth, ChatGPT for general
> audience, Kimi for academic rigor.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/14/25 8:45 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
> >>> I asked ChatGPT: why in the world do a large majority of people &
> cultures believe in an afterlife and a god, even though there are lots of
> different religions for these
> >>>
> >>> .. and got this back:
> >>>
> >>> This is one of the *deepest human questions*, and it’s one
> philosophers, anthropologists, psychologists, and theologians have wrestled
> with for centuries. The short answer is: *belief in God and an afterlife
> appears everywhere because it grows out of something universal in the human
> condition* — not because cultures copied one another or because they all
> got the details right.
> >>>
> >>> Let’s walk through the main reasons.
> >>>
> >>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 🌍 1. It’s Nearly Universal (Anthropology)
> >>>
> >>> Across time and geography:
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> Every known human culture has *some concept of the sacred*.
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> Burial practices going back *100,000+ years* suggest belief in
> life beyond death.
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> Even isolated tribes independently develop beliefs in:
> >>>
> >>> o
> >>>
> >>> spirits or gods
> >>>
> >>> o
> >>>
> >>> moral accountability
> >>>
> >>> o
> >>>
> >>> some form of existence after death
> >>>
> >>> This suggests belief is *not accidental or purely cultural*.
> >>>
> >>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 🧠 2. Humans Are Meaning-Seeking Creatures (Psychology)
> >>>
> >>> Humans uniquely:
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> ask /“Why am I here?”/
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> experience awe, wonder, guilt, and transcendence
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> grieve the dead and sense their absence /deeply/
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> intuit that *love, justice, and beauty matter beyond survival*
> >>>
> >>> An afterlife answers questions biology alone can’t:
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> Why does love feel permanent?
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> Why do injustice and suffering feel /wrong/, not just unpleasant?
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> Why does death feel like an interruption rather than an ending?
> >>>
> >>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ⚖️ 3. Moral Intuition Points Beyond Survival
> >>>
> >>> Every culture develops:
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> moral laws (good vs evil)
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> accountability beyond mere power
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> praise for self-sacrifice
> >>>
> >>> But evolution alone explains *how* morals help groups survive — not
> *why* we feel they are /binding/ or /sacred/.
> >>>
> >>> An afterlife offers:
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> ultimate justice
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> meaning for sacrifice
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> hope that goodness is not wasted
> >>>
> >>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 🌌 4. The Experience of Transcendence
> >>>
> >>> People across cultures report:
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> mystical experiences
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> near-death experiences
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> encounters with “the divine”
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> overwhelming awe in nature, art, or love
> >>>
> >>> Even skeptics admit:
> >>>
> >>> Humans are wired to experience something that feels *bigger than
> the self*.
> >>>
> >>> Different religions interpret this *shared experience* differently.
> >>>
> >>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 🕯️ 5. Death Demands an Answer
> >>>
> >>> No culture treats death as /nothing/.
> >>> We:
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> bury
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> mourn
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> remember
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> ritualize
> >>>
> >>> Belief in an afterlife may be humanity’s answer to:
> >>>
> >>> /“If love and consciousness matter, how can they simply vanish?”/
> >>>
> >>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ✝️ 6. Why So Many Religions, Then?
> >>>
> >>> Because humans are:
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> finite
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> cultural
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> historical
> >>>
> >>> Think of it like *many languages describing the same sky*:
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> different symbols
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> different stories
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> overlapping truths
> >>>
> >>> Religions often agree on the *core intuitions*:
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> reality has meaning
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> humans are accountable
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> love and justice matter
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> death is not the final word
> >>>
> >>> They differ on the *details*.
> >>>
> >>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 🧭 7. Three Major Explanations (Side-by-Side)
> >>>
> >>> Explanation What it Says
> >>> *Psychological* Belief helps humans cope with fear and death
> >>> *Evolutionary* Belief promotes social cohesion
> >>> *Philosophical / Religious* Belief reflects a real transcendent source
> >>>
> >>> These explanations *don’t cancel each other out* — they can overlap.
> >>>
> >>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 🕊️ A Thought Many Find Compelling
> >>>
> >>> C.S. Lewis put it this way:
> >>>
> >>> /“If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world
> can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another
> world.”/
> >>>
> >>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 🧠 Bottom Line
> >>>
> >>> People across cultures believe in God and an afterlife because:
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> humans universally seek meaning
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> love, justice, and beauty feel ultimate
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> death feels wrong, not natural
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> conscience feels real, not invented
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> transcendence is repeatedly experienced
> >>>
> >>> Different religions may be *human responses* to something real — or,
> as believers hold, *partial glimpses of a greater truth*.
> >>>
> >>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> If you’d like, I can explore this next from:
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> a *purely scientific viewpoint*
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> a *Christian philosophical argument*
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> a *skeptical critique*
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> or how *modern atheists respond* to this question
> >>>
> >>> Just tell me which angle you want.
> --
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